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21 Aug 2018 17:41:51
BOS gets Butler

MIN gets Brown, Smart Theis and Mem pick.

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21 Aug 2018 18:02:27
Are you high? I wouldn't trade Brown straight up for Butler, never mind the rest of the package. Butler is not that good.

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21 Aug 2018 18:23:01
I wouldn’t give up Brown for Butler because of Butler’s personality and contract situation, but he would be the best all around player on the Celtics imo.

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21 Aug 2018 19:44:26
Butler would be a rental. Celtics won't have the cash to max him out. Besides, no way he's worth a starter, two other rotation players and a moderately high No. 1 pick.

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21 Aug 2018 20:16:46
Um. Yes he is worth that. The only reason not is due to his contract situation.

Do Celtics fans want to win this year or just keep going In The future? Seems like the latter.

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21 Aug 2018 20:33:12
Butler is a really good player but this package is more valuable than what raps paid for Leonard.

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21 Aug 2018 14:29:45
If Butler says there is no way he returns to T-Wolves which he kind of already has but not straight up said it. They won't get any huge offers at trade deadline unless Butler commits to the team he gets traded to which I doubt happens.

At trade deadline if Butler says he is gone and won't commit to anyone trade between thunder magic and T-Wolves.

Thunder get Butler, swap get the worst 2021 1st with T-Wolves
T-Wolves get Fournier, Ferguson, swap get the best of 2021 1st, 2020&2021 2nd round picks from thunder
Magic get Schroder

Wolves get a starting SG to replace Butler, a young prospect in Ferguson (20), the better pick between them and thunder in 2021 and 2 2nd picks. If Butler puts them in a situation where they have no leverage I think this is a good deal for them. They get a couple picks another starting SG and a young prospect I don't see them getting better than that.

Thunder take another shot at a big 3 or big 4 if you count Adams like I do but that's another topic for another time. This time I know Butler works better than Melo. Butler plays defense and knows how to move the ball better than Melo did. Butler has said he wants to win and Thunder is definitely all about winning right now. Butler would give them a fighting chance at Warriors in my opinion, a better chance than Rockets for sure.

Magic do this to get a starting PG. Magic desperately need a good playmaker and Schroder can fill that playmaking position. Schroder's contract isn't that great but it is cheaper than Fournier's so they aren't losing contract wise.

Thunder lineup
Westbrook/ Felton
Butler/ Abrines/ Diallo
George/ Roberson/ TLC/ Nader/ Singler
Grant/ Patterson
Adams/ Noel
They make 1 or 2 trades with 1 or 2 SF to get another bigman and or PG after this trade to even out their depth.

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21 Aug 2018 15:53:58
It feels light even for what could be a short rental. That pick is to far down the line and Fournier is arguably not worth the money. I think Ferguson’s value might be getting overstated on here by Thunder fans. I think at most he’s equal to a late first and I think most teams would prefer the late 1st.

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21 Aug 2018 16:30:22
@ rkenne_16 Not to mention the Magic get a lousy return.

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21 Aug 2018 16:51:48
Yeah, I don't think they get this little from Butler. Look at what Cousins was traded for as a deadline deal. A recent lottery pick and a first. Fournier (a bad contract for a decent player), Ferguson (a fringe rotation player that's young), and a pick swap doesn't do it.

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21 Aug 2018 17:04:23
Dacman, maybe, they do need a pg and I think Schroeder only has slightly less value than Fournier. Schroeder is probably the more talented guy, but his other issues diminish that.

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21 Aug 2018 07:18:21
NY send: THJ, Lee
Receive: Randolph, '20 2nd (Rap)
Clear a lot of cap-space for next year, and improve this year's pick.

Rap send: Ibaka, '20 & '21 2nd
Receive: Wiggins
Upgrade potential, and can hide Wiggins on D.

Twolves send: Wiggins, '20 2nd
Receive THJ, Lee
Get rid of Wiggins overpaid contract and get some solid wings who Butler will likely prefer to play with.

Kings send: Randolph
Receive: Ibaka, '20 (Twolves) & '21 (Rap) 2nds
Get some picks for using their cap space, Ibaka can be traded as a large expiring at the end of the year.

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21 Aug 2018 11:50:31
It's going to cost more than that for Raps to unload Ibaka's deal.

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21 Aug 2018 12:22:17
Raptors going for title for title you keep ibaka over wiggens, when you already have top 3 sf.

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21 Aug 2018 17:15:29
Yeah, agree with Shizzee. Toronto has a ton of depth on the wing and are probably 1 big short of where they want t be.
Also, Ibaka can give you positive minutes in playoff games and is willing to be a 3rd or 4th option. Wiggins has shown the ability or willingness to do either at this point. Unless you’re a young team, why take a chance on the light coming on for Wiggins? In 4 years, he hasn’t shown many glimpses that he is willing to do the things that will win games. He hasn’t been willing to get his hands dirty or play unselfish basketball and he’s not good enough offensively for that to be ok.

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21 Aug 2018 06:00:04
Trade deadline deal if Twolves out of playoff race, and Butler says he's gone no matter what:

Minny send: Butler, '21 & '23 worse 1st
Receive: Lee, Roberson, Ferguson,'21 & '23 better 1st
Get some solid wings to replace some of what Butler brought, also get a prospect and possibility to move up in 2 drafts.

NY send: Lee
Receive: Singler (Exp), TLC, '20 2nd
Clear cap space and get a cheap prospect and future pick.

OKC send: Roberson, Singler, Ferguson, TLC, '21 & '23 better 1st, '20 2nd
Receive: Butler

PG: Westbrook, Schroder
SG: Butler, Felton
SF: PG, Abrines
PF: Grant, Patterson
C: Adams, Noel

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21 Aug 2018 13:58:21
As a thunder fan I would love the addition of Butler, but OKC is losing to many young assets for possibly just half a season. If they could make it happen by switching TLC with Abrines or something then I say do it, but don't give up Ferguson and TLC. And I'm not sure if T-wolves take it. Thibs does like defense so Roberson would be a good fit for him, but those picks thunder are guaranteed Westbrook, George, and Adams through 2021 so unless something changes the Wolves would b in the same spot without switching 2021 pick, but depending on what happens after 2021 the 2023 could help. I do think the Knicks would do that, but why are the Knicks even involved? The T-Wolves would prob rather TLC and the 2nd over Lee I don't see why they have to be involved unless it is a salary thing.

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20 Aug 2018 19:33:30
Heat and hornets
Hornets get Whiteside
Heat get Batum, Lottery protected 1st round pick, 2019 thunder 2nd round pick

Heat get rid of Whiteside, but they have to take on a bad contract. they might could make something happen and get a package like Williams and Zeller, but they also have bad contracts. I would rather have 1 bad contract instead of two. And the heat will get a 1st round pick out of it.

Hornets are getting rid of Batum and getting Walker a lil help. Hornets are wasting walker by not building with him. And with low competition in the East right now they could get into the playoffs with a bottom spot if they make a couple of moves. They would lose a 1st and 2nd round pick but they are clearing Batum so it is worth throwing in the picks in my opinion.

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21 Aug 2018 15:11:41
Heat have lots of small forwards, Hornets have lots of Centers, seems like the deal adds to the glut of both teams.

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20 Aug 2018 12:22:13
PHX-CLE-MIN

PHX: Sexton,Wiggins
CLE: Jones,Knight,Warren,Suns 1st,Wolves 1st
MIN: Love,Korver,Ariza,Cavs 2nd

SUNS
Sexton
Booker
Wiggins
Jackson
Ayton

CAVS
Hill-Jones
Hood-Knight
Osman-Nwaba
Warren-Frye
Thompson

MIN
Teague-Rose
Butler
Ariza-Korver
Love
Towns

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20 Aug 2018 12:49:32
Honestly I don't see any team matching 30 mil value in trade for love, and wouldn't be throwing draft picks to get him even spread out amongst a third team.

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20 Aug 2018 13:19:26
Love for wiggens talent wise. But age is huge factor.

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20 Aug 2018 18:36:00
Love is far more valuable than wiggins. Wiggins is a complete negative full of empty points. He brings nothing else to the game.

Love is a great teammate, spreads the floor, beast on the rims and at least tries on defense

Minnesota is stuck with wiggins and that horrendous contract.

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21 Aug 2018 04:48:28
Don’t see wiggins as being a complete negative at all.
More of just that mind set after a player gets paid or overpaid for that matter .
Not many players average over 20 ppg in their first 3 seasons, still very young and can work ok Defense .
Won’t be seeing any dpoy coming his way but he can improve.

He got moved down the food chain and it’s hard for some players to adapt (see Melo) . But as a 3rd option he averaged almost 18ppg-4-2. Can’t be all garbage points if they made the playoffs on the western conference.

Offensively he has the tools to be the #1 option on that team and still has a high ceiling at 23 years old

Butler at his age wasn’t even a starter, averaged 8 points a game.

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21 Aug 2018 13:26:55
Love is 30 and has not played the same since coming out with his mental illness. You love the great white hope. Lmao.

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21 Aug 2018 15:13:29
Shizzee, he had his best season with the Cavs last year. What are you talking about?

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21 Aug 2018 17:28:44
That downfall to just producing 17 and 10 and being an all star last year has been horrible hasn't it shizzee? That mental illness (that he's dealt with his entire career) has really hurt him. . .

I really don't understand your hatred for him. He's a fantastic second or third option. He's selfless, hard worker, does the little things, and defers to the main star. Everything you want out of a second or third star.

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20 Aug 2018 11:58:20
HOU/LAL

HOU get Luol Deng

LAL get Ryan Anderson

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20 Aug 2018 12:15:52
Both teams uninterested. Lakers want cap space, rockets would take the shooting of Anderson over whatever Deng is producing these days.

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20 Aug 2018 14:25:31
Its the equivalent of trading a sneaker with a hole in it for a cough drop that was found on the ground.

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20 Aug 2018 15:15:17
Anderson is overpaid but he's far more useful than Deng.

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20 Aug 2018 11:55:06
PHX/CHA/CHI

PHX get Kris Dunn & Marvin Williams

CHA get Brandon Knight, TJ Warren & 1st round pick CHI

CHI get Kemba Walker

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20 Aug 2018 12:13:49
How can bulls deal dunn for walker without salary match issues?

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20 Aug 2018 10:56:22
Wolves: Hollins- Jefferson+ Crabbe

Nets: J Butler

Wolves only do this, if Butler indicates he don't want to resign with the Wolves and other teams, hesitate, because Butler don't want to sign with them.
The Wolves get Hollins-Jefferson 's birth rights and i think they can resign him for a reasonable price

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20 Aug 2018 10:06:39
BOS/NYK/NOLA

BOS get Anthony Davis, Solomon Hill & Emmanuel Mudiay

Pg Rozier/Mudiay
Sg Hayward/Smart
Sf Tatum/Hill/Yabusele
Pf Davis/Theiss/
Ce Horford/Baynes/Ajinca

NYK get Kyrie Irving (with extension), Marcus Morris & 1st round pick BOS (own)
- next year sign Jimmy Buckets

Pg Irving/Ntilikina
Sg Butler
Sf Hardaway
Pf Knox/Morris
Ce Kanter/Noah

NOLA get Kristaps Porzingis, Jaylen Brown, Courtney Lee, 2 2nd round picks NYK & 1st round pick SAC

Pg Holiday/Payton
Sg Lee/Moore/Clark
Sf Brown/Miller/Liggins
Pf Randle/Mirotic
Ce Porzingis/Diallo

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20 Aug 2018 10:57:40
I like the return for NO, if Porzingis would stay with them.

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20 Aug 2018 13:08:26
Zinger would have to stay with them, as a restricted FA they would match any offer.

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20 Aug 2018 13:31:00
Knicks not trading Porzingis for irving unless they are dumping noah. NY can get irving in free agency, if he wants to sign here. Davis is a wet dream for boston. Unless any team offers a herschal walker package pelicans not trading him.

Noah Mudiay Porzingis
for
Irving Yubelese Ojeleye.

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20 Aug 2018 14:26:23
This is actually one of the better AD trade packages, but Pels still would pass.

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20 Aug 2018 16:02:41
Irving is not signing an extension, he made that perfectly clear. He would have to wait till the seasons over and sign a max like Butler.

I think Boston would pass and wait till the TD to make any major moves. Horford's is best used as a PF. With Theis back Baynes and him can share the 5 with Al at the 4.

Hill and Mudiay don't move the needle for Boston to pull the trigger.

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21 Aug 2018 01:17:58
Yea one of the better returns I’ve seen for Davis, but I’d still rather have him then any return I have seen.

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