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25 Apr 2017 18:15:38
Portland - Indiana - Boston - Philadelphia
Portland trades: CJ McCollum, Meyers Leonard, 2017 Memphis Pick
Portland Receives: 2017 Brooklyn 1st, Jahlil Okafor, Gerald Henderson (waive), tyler Zeller (waive)
Beyond trade: Waive Ezeli, draft Markelle Fultz, draft Jordan Bell, trade Cleveland pick for more salary cap relief
Indiana Trades: Paul George, 2017 own pick
Indiana receives: CJ McCollum, Philadelphia 2017 pick
Beyond Trade: Draft josh Jackson or jayson Tatum
Boston Trades: Avery Bradley, Tyler Zeller, Demetrius Jackson, 2017 Brooklyn 1st
Boston Receives: Paul George
Philadelphia Trades: Jahlil Okafor, Gerald Henderson, 2017 own 1st
Philadelphia Receives: Avery Bradley, Demetrius Jackson, 2017 Ind 1st, 2017 Mem pick
Beyond Trade: Draft more prospects and continue the Process
Post Draft Depth Charts
Lillard, turner, Napier
Vonleh, Davis, Bell
McCollum, Robinson lll
Turner, Jefferson, seraphim
FA signing, another FA signing
Simmons, Bayless, McConnell
Bradley, Luwawu Cabarrot, Stauskas
Why each team makes these moves?
Portland cuts nearly $30 million from their payroll and get the number 1 overall pick who played at a nearby college. Lillard and Fultz could be the most lethal backcourt in the NBA. They both can score at will and can create for their teammates. Portland also get a local in Jordan bell whose defensive capabilities can make up for nurkic and okafor's defensive woes.
Indiana makes a quick rebuild. McCollum and a top 5 pick is about as good of a return for George they could ask for. They remain a playoff caliber team.
Boston gets the superstar they've been trying for and they get rid of Bradley before they have to face the dilemma of resigning him for a lot of money or letting him go for nothing.
Philadelphia gets an excellent two way SG in Bradley who pairs well with Simmons. They get rid of Okafor, who they have no room for anymore with their plethora of quality big men. They do give up a high pick but they get two middle of the pack 1st round draft picks in which they can stockpile even more talent. And who knows they might still get a top 5 pick if the lakers pick falls to them.
25 Apr 2017 20:10:03
No Paul George trade makes sense unless the acquiring team has an assurance that he will sign long-term. In this instance, Boston is not going to trade a starter and the potential No. 1 pick if there is even a chance that George bolts to the Lakers after next season.
26 Apr 2017 00:30:45
If Boston does that need a future 1st rd. coming back to them, not just George. Supercollider is right that's a bit much for a rental. And whoever disagreed is only doing it for obvious reasons, that's just how this blog rolls.
22 Apr 2017 23:18:49
Knicks/ Cavs/ Blazers:
To CLE - Melo, O'Quinn
To POR - Love
To NYK - Turner, Harkless, Frye.
22 Apr 2017 23:50:24
Horrible for the Cavs. They wouldn't do Love for O'Quinn and Melo straight up let alone adding a rotation player. Also, how does Portland end up getting love and getting out of Turner's bad contract?
23 Apr 2017 02:34:20
It's not whether Love is better than both Melo (which he's not) and O'Quinn or not. If the Cavs don't win it again this year, and in fact lose badly, LeBron the GM is going to insist on change. He'll want a buddy or buddies, and Melo is the one that is available currently. Love is the one of the big three to go if/ when LBJ puts his foot down. Don't kid yourself, Love would have been gone last offseason if the Cavs had not have made the comeback, and it most likely would have been for Melo.
I agree that the Blazers are getting rid of a bad contract in Turner, but it's only bad based on the fit. In New York, he could go back to a similar role that he had in Boston, a facilitator, which suits him best. He hasn't worked in Portland because he plays with two ball dominant guards. It would be reasonable to expect him to put up a 12, 5 and 5 stat line with the Knicks, and the five dimes a game would be more than any other Knick put up this year.
23 Apr 2017 05:19:39
If Lebron was concerned with hanging out with his friends, he'd still be in Miami. Love is hands down better than Melo. Love is a better rebounder, better passer, a more efficient scorer ( he average 19 on 14.5 shots a game compared to 22 on 19 shots for Melo this year), better defensively, and younger. Melo's weakness match the Cavs weakeness. Love isn't getting moved in a trade where Melo is the main piece. Losing Love and Frye would take away any players who can play center for long periods and shoot. This trade makes 0 sense for the Cavs. That doesn't even take into account that the Cavs would be over paying by a lot for Melo and Turner and Harkless for Love would be the steal for Portland. That's two borderline starters including a guy being over payed by 8 million dollars for an allstar.
23 Apr 2017 16:03:29
Actually, again rkenne. posting but not really making sense.
You want to break down efficient scoring simply on shots vs pts? Ok? First, Melo has always, including this year, shot at a higher FG% than love. Secondly, Love is the 3rd option, who hangs at the 3pt line. that's what he does. A tad bit easier to score that way than the 1st option who is constantly doubled. But I guess you didn't take that into account.
Love is a better passer? Seriously? Dude averages for his career 2 assists a game. Under 2 assists this year per game. Better passer? Guy doesn't pass. He gets the ball and just puts up a jump shot. that's his offensive game.
Better defensively? 6'10 and gets less than half a block a game. Seriously? No one is saying melo is good defensively. But where the heck to you come up with an argument that Love is any less bad?
Kevin love is a better rebounder. he's a 3rd option jump shooter on a loaded team. He has a far less diverse offensive game. Equally bad defensively. A worse passer. I fully believe he is great for his role, but to try and make the argument that love is so clearly better is foolish.
Oh. and melo plays more of the season by about 5-6 games a year. So clearly that youth thing matters.
Get off it. you and supercollider are on some baseless melo hate trip. Dude ain't a top 5. But to consider him worthless, or actually as you two make it seem, negative worth, is moronic. He will be traded, and he will pull in decent but not amazing. My guess. 3 options
1) sign and trade with the clippers for griffin.
2) trade with cavs for love
3) celtics trade centered around crowder.
All depends on the playoffs, but just stop it. your constant hate is making you both look moronic.
23 Apr 2017 19:35:52
Hamburger look up any defensive metric and you'll see that Love is far ahead of Melo. Melo has his hands on the ball far more often than Love and handles the ball more. Of course he averages more assists that doesn't mean he's a better passer, it means he has more opportunities to pass. The Cavs don't need a third guy who is most effective with the ball in his hands. Crowder may be possible (even though Ainge apparently said he didn't want Melo taking up all of their cap room), but they're not getting Love and why would Griffin opt in to be traded to the hapless Knicks when he can pick where he wants to go. That's the most delusional thing I've ever heard.
20 Apr 2017 22:02:34
Cleveland gets Favors, Exum, and Burks
Sacramento gets Love
20 Apr 2017 23:51:51
I could see a deal where cavs move love for more depth but don't like the fit of these guys in the return. Favors recent injury woes and 1 year left on his contract lower his value considerably. It would be tough to play him and Thompson together. Exum is project so not sure how interested the win now cavs would be. Burks is a solid rotational player but nothing special.
21 Apr 2017 09:07:35
What did Sacramento gave away to get Favors, Exum and Burks? 😊.
21 Apr 2017 09:40:29
21 Apr 2017 15:06:59
I thought of throwing in Hood or a first as well, but wasn't sure if it was to much Jaw. The goal was to add more defense, length, and youth to the Cavs. The Cavs have Frye to give them the stretch look still and play Lebron at the 4 and occasionally 5 against small line ups. Love would be a loss, but a little more defense would really help the Cavs.
20 Apr 2017 18:31:20
Cle - Bos - Okc - Brk 4 way trade
Cle - Brook Lopez
Bos - Kanter
OKC - Love
Brk - jerebko, Zeller, singler, 2017 OKC 1st, 2019 Mem 1st (from Boston)
Cleveland gets a big who can play in the post, stretch the floor, and offer some interior defense. I'd consider Lopez a more well rounded big man than love at this point in their careers.
Boston gets some bench support to help relieve their offensive struggles when Thomas is off the court.
OKC gets a sharpshooting stretch four which they desperately need.
Brooklyn absorbs some salary in exchange for draft picks.
20 Apr 2017 18:53:40
If Boston wants to let go of Zeller and Jerebko (which the Celtics probably do), they just let them walk away. They aren't going to give up two first-round picks for nothing.
20 Apr 2017 19:21:40
Boston is only giving up 1 1st round pick. And kanter has his problems but I wouldn't call him nothing.
20 Apr 2017 19:47:26
Boston would only be giving up 1 pick. And Zeller has a non- guaranteed for 8 mil and Jerebko will be a UFA. Kanter is a defensive liability and doesn't fit in a Stevens system, especially at that price tag. They would much rather just trade with OKC for Adams.
20 Apr 2017 20:15:00
Clevelands not giving up Love for Lopez. It doesn't make them better and Lopez is older.
21 Apr 2017 00:36:31
Boston can still sign a superstar with Kanter's salary on the books. Kanter also has a player option following the 2017-2018 season, when IT and Bradley become free agents. So If things don't work out, then Kanter can walk and Boston will have the cap space to sign their stars. Kanter might be a liability on defense but Boston desperately needs his offense. IT won't be able to carry the same load he did this year. Having Kanter come off the bench would be a huge help.
Lopez is only 5 months older than Love so age shouldn't be considered in that deal. Lopez is top 10 in the league in blocks and he can do everything love can do on offense and more. Lopez can create from the blocks with nifty hooks and floaters.
21 Apr 2017 14:58:32
Most metrics have Love ad a better defender, Love is a far better rebounder, Love spaces the floor better, Love is the better passer, and Love is the better overall scorer. Love would be putting up atleast 25 13 and 4 on that garbage Brooklyn team. The Cavs would be better off trading Love for Robin Lopez.
20 Apr 2017 12:06:18
- Pacers receive: Aaron Gordon, 2017 Magic 1st, Iman Shumpert, Cedi Osman, Kay Felder
- Cavs receive: Paul George
- Magic receive: Kevin Love, Monta Ellis
- Chris Bosh - 1yr/5Mil
- Andrew Bogut - 1yr/5Mil
- Deron Williams - 1yr/Vet Min
- Tony Allen - 1yr/Vet Min
- Kyle Korver - 1yr/ Vet Min
PG - Kyrie, Deron Williams
SG - George, JR Smith,
SF - Lebron, Tony Allen, Korver
PF - Bosh, Frye,
C - Thompson, Bogut, Tavares
20 Apr 2017 12:23:56
Norbert will not be a 3rd strong wing. I'd say you could have one of Allen or Korver and then sign someone else lesser.
20 Apr 2017 13:58:49
I like the idea of bringing in George for Love, but I don't think Orlando is the right 3rd team. The Bucks, Lakers, Okc, Houston, Portland, or other teams either looking to add superstars or that are young and on the verge of competing might work. or They are close to maxed out and just tried a similiar move that back fired. Bosh is worth signing if healthy, but depending on him to be your starting pf seems to risky.
20 Apr 2017 13:58:59
I think the magic would need to land pick 1 for this to be anything less then an insult to the pacers.
20 Apr 2017 14:05:49
Only if the magic pic is a top three
I like the idea trading PG13 for Fullz or Ball and maybe Jackson
No idea why Cleveland is in this trade?
20 Apr 2017 14:56:09
Agree. no need for Cleveland.
20 Apr 2017 15:51:25
I think PG13 will really have to make waves to be moved, and the Magic would really have to up the ante to beat the Celtics out on any potential trade, but putting together a team with Turner Gordon and say Tatum as your 5, 4 and 3 is interesting. Flip Thad Young for either a young PG or SG/ pick and draft the other position with their own pick and you have a talented young core.
20 Apr 2017 15:51:36
Love is controlled for the next 2 years and George is only controlled for next year. There is no way George resigns with the Magic. It would be a lot less risky for the Magic to add Love.
17 Apr 2017 16:55:32
Sixers give McConnell, Okafor, 2 2nd rounders this year, and a 2020 1st rounder (OKC)
Cavs give Kevin Love
After what seems is going to be a dissappointing year for the Cavs, they won't have any cap space or draft picks to retool the lineup around Lebron and Kyrie. This trade frees up cap space while giving them a back up playmaker, and a scoring big off the bench. And okafors post game would be better utilized in the half court sets the Cavs run. Then they'll be able to use the 2nd rounders to look for talent at other positions, and cut them for no guaranteed money if they fail.
For the sixers, this trade gives them an established player who FAs might want to come play with. (Maybe he gets a gordon hayward to sign here) He also is a rebounding, transitional, stretch 4 who would fit perfect with our team. Out in transition we would have players such as simmons, saric, love and embiid who all like to initiate and then we draft guards who can shoot and play off ball in the draft. Hopefully we get the lakers pick.
17 Apr 2017 17:25:56
This doesn't free up cap space for Cleveland, as they're way over the cap.
And this seems bad for Cleveland. I wouldn't give up an all star for that meager return.
17 Apr 2017 21:20:50
It would take significantly more to get Love. Dude is still an all-star and has significant value. Draft picks, especially ones in 2020 aren't attractive to a team like the Cavs and their cap situation is bad enough that moving Love doesn't really help especially when you aren't getting comparable talent in return.
18 Apr 2017 19:08:35
That's terrible for the Cavs. Unless Simmons, Embiid, or their current first is involved the Cavs would hang up the phone quick. The only piece they get in this trade that even interests them is Mcconell. The 2 2nds could be bought for cash, the first is to far out and might not even be high, and Okafor doesn't help the Cavs at all. The Cavs get significantly worse with this trade.
15 Apr 2017 16:35:01
Draft day trade
Cavs get Anthony, Drummond, Young, and Morris
Detroit gets Thompson, Shump, and the knicks 1st
Knicks get the lakers 1st, a lottery protected future pick from the lakers, Detroit 2nd, Deng, and Felder
The Lakers get Love
The Cavs get the center they need, Anthony who despite his flaws is still a great scorer, Young who can replace Shump, and a versatile 4 in morris.
Detriot gets a nice package for Drummond including a lottery pick in a stacked draft and 2 players who can be easily moved if they go full rebuild
The Knicks end up taking on Deng's contract, but move up into the top 3 in a stacked draft and get far more than they would get any where else and probably won't be attracting many marquee free agents in the near future anyway
The Lakers Dump Deng's contract and get a star to attract players like Russ and George with.
15 Apr 2017 16:47:32
Cavs get hosed. Would love to see them do that.
15 Apr 2017 22:10:10
Everyone, I just realized who Supercollider's is. it's Phil Jackson under an alias!
16 Apr 2017 01:35:02
Triangle -- why would PJax want to kill Anthony's trade value? Makes no sense.
16 Apr 2017 12:11:06
Hasn't that what he's been attempting to do all year.
16 Apr 2017 14:44:48
Anthony has no trade value or he would've already been moved at the deadline.
16 Apr 2017 16:04:11
Always much more difficult to move someone at the trade deadline. Melo will have some trade value, not saying teams will be lining up, but there will be a few offers.
16 Apr 2017 22:52:41
Melo did have trade value. But Jackson wanted an arm and a leg plus the kitchen sink at the deadline. I wouldn't want it to happen but I could see DA giving a couple of 2nd rd. picks and a player to try to catch lightening in a bottle again. Maybe resign Johnson or trading for a A Drummond or a D Jordan.
14 Apr 2017 16:13:31
Cavs off season
1st priority go after a rim protector. Sign Bogut or trade for someone like Vucevic, B. Lopez (pipe dreams), Chandler, R. Lopez, Henson, O'Quinn, Biyombo, Plumlee, Zeller or Koufos. Hopefully using Shumpert as the main piece in the offer.
2nd perimeter D try to sign Tony Allen, Reddick, Igguodola or Wade (last three are pipe dreams with the cap) and go after player like Covington, Ariza, Beverly. Roberson (S & T), Carroll, Lee, Mathews, and Young using future picks and expiring contracts.
3rd sign Osman, resign Korver, and both williams.
4th Continue to lightly shop Love. I doubt anything comes of it, but if you can some how end up with 2 high level players or one 2 way super star you take it.
5th explore ways to get Carmelo. Hope the Knicks get desperate and you can shaft them somehow.
6th look into getting Paul in a sign in trade for Irving if the Clips will throw in something more
Pg 1st Paul 2nd Beverly
Sg Reddick 2nd Smith/Wade
Sf Lebron 2nd Iggy/Korver
Pf Love 2nd Thompson
C Lopez 2nd Bogut
Pg Kyrie 2nd Williams
Sg Smith 2nd Korver/Allen
Sf Lebron 2nd Jefferson 3rd Osman
PF Love 2nd Frye 3rd Williams
C Thompson 2nd Henson, Chandler, or Koufos
14 Apr 2017 17:51:01
That first team is double the cap, literally.
That second team is well over cap too.
A few of those rim protectors are not really rim protectors and most are or will be far too expensive for CLE to sign without moving some pieces.
14 Apr 2017 18:22:04
Cavs cap situation makes it very tough for them to add any meaningful talent. They have mid-level exception (like 3.5 mill for teams over luxury cap) but other than that can only give minimum contracts. I think they'll be lucky to resign all their FA and will have to settle with cheap veterans. Moving Shumpert and/ or Frye (I think they can find a cheaper replacement) are a way to potentially add players with decent sized contracts however those two likely aren't bringing back any difference maker level talent.
I think moving Love for two complimentary pieces needs to be explored. I don't see Clippers having the pieces to pair with Paul to make it worth it for Cavs to deal Irving (his age makes him valuable to that franchise since he will be entering his prime as Lebron starts to decline) .
14 Apr 2017 19:44:09
23 The first team was just some dream moves and signing the Cavs could make. They're all possible, but almost all of them would have to take below market value. The 2nd team is just shumpert being traded for a big man, resigning both Williams to the minimum, Korver with bird rights, Osman with draft rights, and then using the mle to sign Tony Allen. None of those are farfetched moves, the Cavs have to appease Lebron this off season because he will likely be signing a long term deal. THey will end up being well in the luxury again next year. The names i listed were all from the top 50 shot blockers in the league this year.
jaw457 agreed although I think it will be hard to find value for Love.
14 Apr 2017 22:10:29
If you are operating under the assumption that a couple guys are signing for minimum I'll agree that the second scenario is feasible. And as you said still over cap anyway.
As for rim protection. Blocks and rim protection are not the same thing. In that scenario Porzingis and Durant are better rim protectors than Marc Gasol, Dwight Howard and Biyombo.
14 Apr 2017 22:56:40
Phil Jackson just announced that Carmelo is out the door. Anyone nutty enough to pay his salary can basically have him for nothing.
15 Apr 2017 16:10:22
Actually 23 you are wrong. Rim protection is based on opponents fg % within 5 feet of rim. And seeing how porzingis was at 44. Gasol almost 48. Howard over 48.
Porzingis was better in blocks and rim protection.
YOu really should read before constantly stating things as fact.
15 Apr 2017 17:09:39
Burger, again, you have no concept of how basketball works. Porzingis is guarding guys 5 inches shorter than him majority of the time because there's no chance he'd defend a Center. You honestly think Porzingis is a better rim protector than Gasol or Howard?
14 Apr 2017 15:33:51
Cavs get Biyombo (will have 3 yrs left on ridiculous contract next season), a lottery protected first, and a 2nd
Orlando gets Shumpert (can opt out after next year and will probably look for long term deal) and Frye (contract is up next year).
The Cavs add a shot blocker, can replace Shump with Osman, and can use the first to fill in roster holes via trade.
The Magic end up with more flexibility.
14 Apr 2017 18:29:50
From a fit perspective I like Biyombo but I think that contract would limit Cavs flexibility significantly. Additionally if that lottery protected first is from Orlando it is likely going to be awhile before they are good enough to not be in the lottery so not sure how much value it would have.
14 Apr 2017 18:50:34
Why is Orlando giving up a first in addition to the best player? In anything, Orlando should be getting draft picks in return.
14 Apr 2017 20:47:21
The Magic have very little capspace for the forseeable future and aren't going to be in the playoff hunt. Biyombo's contract is terrible and they'll have to give up assets to get rid it. In this deal they atleast get a few players back that can help them recoup the pick. like Jaw said the pick isn't extremely valuable.
14 Apr 2017 21:15:53
Biyombo is marginally better than Shump.
14 Apr 2017 04:47:54
Boston - Indiana (Assuming George Agrees to Resign)
Boston: Thomas, Brown, clippers pick and memphis pick 2019 + fillers (No brooklyn picks)
Celtics draft fultz, bring over yabu and zizic
this would be a team that would be a couple of vets away from going to the championship. You would have one of the best if not the best defensive lineup in the nba with 4 players being able to guard multiple positions and switch. I think this team beats the cavs. Who says no and why?
14 Apr 2017 05:07:20
Smart isn't a starting pg in the NBA and having depend on a rookie is risky. Boston's entire offense is predicated on Thomas's ability to penetrate. There is no way they should deal him. I don't think the Pacers would be interested in Thomas either. You would need to find a third team with picks or young players who is trying to win now. It would make more sense for everyone involved to trade the Brooklyn pick rather than Thomas.
14 Apr 2017 07:20:00
Don't get why Pacers would ever do this. If George agrees to resign then they wouldn't trade him period. Thomas is going to be a FA in 2018 so he isn't that attractive especially to a Pacers team without George. They'd probably be looking to rebuild with young talent and not pay a guy near 30 the 4 or 5 year max contract he'd likely command. As rkenne_16 mentions it makes a ton more sense for Celtics to keep Thomas who gives them another go-to scorer (I agree Smart isn't starting caliber pg and Fultz may be a great scorer one day but I wouldn't want to depend on an unproven 19yr old rookie if I'm looking to compete for a title) and for Pacers to get one of Nets picks instead.
For salary cap reasons it would probably be wise for Celtics to try and keep Brown and deal Bradley instead (he will be a FA in 2018 as will IT, George and Smart) although Pacers would likely prefer Brown for similar reasons and just cause he is younger.
14 Apr 2017 13:28:01
I never seen a team of a top seed fan base put so many trade rumors on the site. Have a little faith, that is best team in the east. As long Supercollider is alive, Hope C's never win any titles.
14 Apr 2017 14:15:21
I don't dislike this trade, IT is a great pointguard, only a little to old for a rebuilding team. And That Memphis pick could be good, but i think its top five protected.
Boston should trade PG13 for Fulzz+ Fillers.
Indy can rebuilt around Fullz and Turner
Boston becomes a reall contender.
14 Apr 2017 17:04:23
If the Celtics can get Paul for that and PG13 agreeing to sign then that would be GREAT! Very doubtful though.
If that trade went through the C's should give those Brooklyn picks and then some to NYK for Porzingis and Lee.
14 Apr 2017 21:44:04
Shizzee -- Danny Ainge leaves Celtics championship banners for dinner tips.
13 Apr 2017 16:42:50
The Heat get Jimmy Butler and Shumpert
The Bucks get Dragic
The Bulls get Mcroberts (waive), Winslow, Maker, Richardson, and a 1st from the Bucks and Heat.
The Cavs get Henson
Miami waives Bosh and goes after Chris Paul.
13 Apr 2017 17:02:14
Not a freaking chance are the bucks trading maker for dragic, let alone their first too. Do your research.
13 Apr 2017 17:49:58
A midlevel first round pick, a player with a ton of potential but isn't any where near making an impact, and a marginal role player seems pretty cheap for a borderline allstar. Dragic could help the Bucks break into the top teams in the East.
14 Apr 2017 02:07:54
Isn't anywhere near making an impact? It's obvious you have not watched a single buck game.
14 Apr 2017 05:20:43
Maker averaged 4.1 points and 1.7 boards in March for a team who was missing their starting PF.
14 Apr 2017 07:41:20
The biggest issue I see with this trade is Bulls giving up Butler for that. The value in that return is distributed among too many players to have a significant impact. If I'm dealing a star I'd prefer to have one clear gem in my return.
Although that price I think is fair for Dragic who has played very well the 2nd half of this year I don't think he is a particularly great fit with the Bucks from an age, role and fit point of view. Although he can play off the ball w/ Giannis, I don't think he is at his best in that role.
14 Apr 2017 12:30:37
Victory goes to rkenne_16.
14 Apr 2017 13:30:37
I agree that the package isn't ideal jaw457, but there seems to be more sellers than buyers right now. The Celtics are dragging their feet, the Lakers are looking at George, the Twolves core is still to young to gamble one of their top players for Butler, and the rest of the league is either rebuilding or doesn't have much of value outside of their core players. I think the Cousins trade was a sign of how few buyers are out there. Unless Boston makes a big offer I don't see a lot great of options for the Bulls.
I also agree that Dragic isn't a great fit, but the Bucks aren't going to have much luck getting free agents. In the current market everyone is over paying and Milwaukee isn't much of a draw. Age is probably the biggest draw back, but Dragic hasn't shown any signs of slowing down, he can play both guard spots, he's a solid shooter which is needed around Giannis, if things don't work out he probably won't lose much value on the open market, the team is already pretty good even with terrible injury luck, and they showed they want a pg last offseason by giving Delly a huge contract.
That was my thinking behind everything.
14 Apr 2017 20:42:28
Bucks have Brogdan, who they drafted as a SG, But has been playing better as a PG. He moved Delladedova to the 2nd string bench. They have also just signed Gary Payton ll as an additional PG. They don't need an aging Dragic! Send Henson (PF) to Phoenix for Knight (PG/ SG) Send Vaughn to the D-League. Maker isn't going anywhere. Milwaukee should consider trading J. Parker. I would try and send him to the L. A. Lakers, for B. Ingram! The Lakers need a "go-to-guy" which Parker is when healthy, Ingram is not going to be that guy. Both have had knee issues, and as of this date, both salaries match. Throw Vaughn or Terry or Teletovic in with the deal? Maker, at C. Giannis A. at PF, Ingram at SF, Move Middleton back to SG, and M Brogdan at PG.
13 Apr 2017 15:42:10
Thunder get Kevin Love
Cavs get 2017 1st, Enes Kanter, and Alex Abrines
13 Apr 2017 16:34:07
Terrible trade for the Cavs. Alex Abrines wouldn't be in the Cavs rotation, Kanter is worse defensively than Love and doesn't rebound or stretch the floor, and a late first round pick does nothing for the the Cavs.
07 Apr 2017 23:54:55
Bulls trade wade to cavs for iman shumpert and Jr smith wade can play with lebron.
07 Apr 2017 02:48:58
Cavs get Cp3 Wade Melo Noah 58th
Bulls get JrSmith Shumpert Frye
Clippers get Irving
Knicks get Love Rondo
07 Apr 2017 05:36:07
I don't think these moves make Cavs any better while significantly shortening their championship window. Keeping Irving who is only 25 would be a smart move for Cavs in preparation for when Lebron starts to decline.
07 Apr 2017 07:14:21
Cavs with full of old injury prone players cannot win a championship.
07 Apr 2017 11:41:39
If Cavs don't make it to finals, Lebron ego might make this happen.
07 Apr 2017 11:44:34
Love has had more year ending or longwr term injuries, than anybody they are getting back.
07 Apr 2017 11:53:31
If they win CP3 and Wade come off the book. 2 other stars join them years after. Stars are lined up to win and join forces with Lebron. Celtics backcourt Thomas and Bradley with Melo Lebron Thompson. Melo comes off the book a 2020. So can load up salary on the back of contract.
07 Apr 2017 18:30:34
shizzee, your trades are awful and you are a terrible knicks fan. no chance knicks get that return. They won't get love straight up for melo. But on top, you think they off noah's contract for rondos what, 3 mill buy out? Just stop. its embarassing.
07 Apr 2017 20:19:56
29 Mar 2017 02:01:52
Cavaliers : B.Lopez & J.Clarkson
Lakers : K.Love
Nets : T.Mozgov , J.Randle , Rockets 1st & 2nd round pick Lakers
25 Mar 2017 02:32:58
New York Knicks summer
1st round pick Dennis Smith Jr
2nd round pick Monte Morris
2nd round pick Chris Boucher
2018 1st round pick from Timberwolves and Cavaliers
Knicks waive Richard Jefferson
Cavaliers 2018 1st round pick
Roster for 2017/18 season
Pg Smith jr/ Randle/ Morris
Sg Caldwell-Pope/ Holiday/ Baker
Sf Warren/ Thomas/ Kuzminskas
Pf Porzingis/ Frye/ Boucher
C Hernangomez/ Noah/ Plumlee
25 Mar 2017 06:04:31
KCP is a restricted FA and isn't going anywhere. I think Knicks should move Melo and i don't think Cavs could pass that up. Don't think Twolves would give up a first for Shumpert tho, it would have to be heavily protected. Suns aren't going to give up Warren that easily either. He is a solid part of their young core.
25 Mar 2017 13:15:18
Minnesota's 2018 1st goes to Atlanta and they probably wouldn't give it up for Shumpert even if they could.
25 Mar 2017 13:41:50
Neither Minnesota nor Cleveland can trade their 2018 1st round pick. Trade never could happen.
26 Mar 2017 03:57:57
Top 6 pick = Shumpert? I don't think so.
24 Mar 2017 21:56:41
(* If Cavs do not repeat)
- Kevin Love for Paul George
- Iman Shumpert and Cedi Osman for Will Barton
Cut: Jefferson, James Jones
Deron Williams - Vet Min
Kyle Korver - Vet Min
Andrew Bogut - 1yr/5M
Derrick Williams - 1yr/5M
Larry Sanders - 1yr/2.5M
Eric Moreland - 2yrs/3M
PG: Kyrie, Deron Will, Felder
SG: Paul George, JR Smith, Liggins
SF: Lebron, Will Barton, Korver
PF: Thompson, Frye, Derrick Will
C: Bogut, Sanders, Moreland
Cavs add size, play big and regain a defensive identity. Get rid of Love and Shumpert's contract to give more cap flexibility. Cavs shoot the three less but rely more on the P&R. Barton gives scoring punch off the bench and deep rotation gives Lebron rest. Also, good chance of Paul George re-signing as playing with Kyrie and Lebron will be his best chance of winning championships
24 Mar 2017 23:17:59
You won't get George for Love.
24 Mar 2017 23:28:58
- Kevin Love to Pacers for Paul George and Pacers 2017 1st
- Shumpert and rights to Cedi Osman for Will Barton and Denvers 2018 2nd.
24 Mar 2017 23:32:33
@Supercollider: George for Love makes sense. George doesn't want to re-sign and Pacers do not a rebuild right now. Love is an all-star averaging 20 and 10, long term contract and only 28. Don't see a better option for Indiana if they want to trade George.
25 Mar 2017 03:24:22
There are many better options. Like keep him.
Also. I love that the comment is you don't get George for love. So you go fine. George AND their first for love. Love is a third option. Proven not to be a first option. George is worlds better.
25 Mar 2017 06:13:31
George for Love is interesting since I doubt Pacers would be able to get a better player in return and if George is true to his word he'd be on a contender and thus would resign in Cleveland. Love is clearly not the level player George is but he is still an all-star. Pacers are in jeopardy of losing him and with him saying he'd like to play for Lakers may scare off teams or at the least influence the strength of their offers. However even with George Pacers aren't that great so they'd probably be worse with Love so they are probably just better off if they deal George to get younger assets and rebuild around their only other good player Turner who is young.
25 Mar 2017 06:14:25
@hamburger George is probably better, but has an expiring contract and does not want to re-sign. Pacers will look for the best trade value they can get for him.
22 Mar 2017 15:21:07
Porter 5yr 100 mil
Melo roots from Baltimore wizards go for it and challenge Cavs next yr. Knicks get 23 yr old who won't be a superstar like Melo. But has all better around than Melo.
Noah 6th 58th for Lin Lopez
22 Mar 2017 16:25:33
Why the hell would the knicks give up melo. for a longer, similar valued contract in porter?
Porter is in his 4th year and having his best year by FAR. at 14 pts, 6 boards.
Why would the knicks possibly want to pay porter like a franchise building block? Especially for 5 years. far better off just sitting back with melo for a couple more years.
With the exception of this year, injuries and ever changing lineup, melo has consistantly made his teams much better overall year in and year out. Is he still elite superstar? no.
But sure as hell rather have him for another 2 years than 5 years of porter at about the same cost.
Not to mention, there is a decent chance melo opts out after next year to get a final, big contract.
Shizzee, you are really really a bad knicks fan. You want to get rid of a very high pick in an incredible draft, for a team that struggles to make the playoffs for a couple years at least. Why not just hold onto it, and build like a smart team?
22 Mar 2017 17:53:50
I think the Wizards would be the one to say no. Porter is a good player, and the big issue there is that he's on the upside while Melo is on the downswing. You need to find a young stud to grow with KP and the other kids the Knicks have on the team. There's a bunch of really good players in this draft, but it's still a crapshoot. I'm not sure if I would make that second move, as I'm not completely sold on Lopez, but you need to ask if getting rid of Noah's contract and picking up Lopez as a #3 guy is worth it. Lopez is young enough to work with that core you're putting together. I think I'd wait to see who's on the board and do it as a draft night deal.
22 Mar 2017 18:43:37
The Knicks would do this so fast it's not even funny. No way WAS does this.
22 Mar 2017 21:57:39
Hate the second trade for the Knicks. In the first one I don't see them being able to get better value for Melo elsewhere (Porter will get a big contract but he is relatively young, versatile, is one of the top 3pt shooters in the league) . Pairing Porzingis with a guy closer to his age is the smart move since history has proven Melo isn't taking this team anywhere.
Melo does very little for them at this point so I think they should deal him for best value they can get. Due to his no-trade clause there aren't very many teams they could trade him to so I don't think they'd be able to beat this offer. Not wanting to pay Porter is only a valid argument if you could tell me who they would give the money to otherwise.
23 Mar 2017 12:05:50
Don't see porter as a franchise cornerstone. No reason to think he will be. Good starter. No superstar. No chance I'd give him 5yrs at melo money when the Knicks could be out of Melos contract in 1 year. 2 years max.
Point is I wouldn't want to sign porter to that regardless of trading for melo. It's an over pay for a player that will likely be the third or fourth option for a team. Will not work out well in the future.
23 Mar 2017 14:21:47
Honestly, I don't see Melo getting a final BIG contract, he definitely won't get a max so he may just as well stay where he is for the final year (28m) . I will be shocked if he gets a 3 yr. guaranteed contract.
23 Mar 2017 15:33:30
Bill, I agree. But I've seen crazier things. Point is though it's only 2 years left max. And he is producing at this point and realistically the next two years far better than porter. So why make that move?
23 Mar 2017 16:28:06
Porter is no 20m/ yr. player so unless its 4 or 5 years at much less money I just don't see it happening, unless Melo pushed for it, he would have to waive that NT clause. Wizards should have done this at the trade deadline to try and get deeper in the playoffs, who knows, maybe they did. When the season ends anything is possible. If KD comes back like he was when he left GS should win. And this drives LBJ crazy, Cav's didn't make a big splash because the owner took away LBJs trading power.
Don't think Knicks would do this. But one thing for sure is Jackson will do his best to get rid of Melo. We can all agree on that.
23 Mar 2017 16:43:48
Third options will get paid 20 million in the current salary cap of the NBA. 20 million for a young guy like porter isn't crazy, it's the market.
23 Mar 2017 18:33:49
OK burger 2nd trade valid points, I agree. You can't ignore what has happened with salary cap and salary. Porter is worthy 5 yr deal 100 mil. Guys like Oladipo Parsons getting more. It's only going to get worse next yr. Porter numbers jump each yr. Better all around player than Melo right now. Wizards are win team now.
Knicks get Biyombo
Magic get Noah rights to swap 2018
Ball-2nd/ Mason-58th/ Randle
Lee/ Thornwell-47/ Baker
Porter/ Thomas/ Kuzminskas O'Quinn/ Biyombo/ Inglis
Porzingis/ Hernangomez/ Plumlee.
23 Mar 2017 19:03:15
Bmiller. absolutely false. Simple math proves differently.
This is exactly why NO will have issues.
If 20 mill is the 3rd option, reasonably 25 and 30 mill would be number 1 and 2.
That means those 3 players alone account for 75 million. And that's the issue. You can't fill out a solid deep roster with that little of money.
He simply isn't worth that amount.
24 Mar 2017 00:10:33
Good players are getting paid like great players, and that means since the cap has gone up the past 2 seasons money is being thrown about recklessly, without any thinking of past 2018. This will hurt some teams. Portland, for one, and if Cleveland doesn't win this year they're going to have to start selling pieces because they are in cap trouble for 2 more seasons and then they still can't sign a max player .
NO is in a position where I think, depending of where they're at in the standings next deadline, they could trade Boogie for much more than what they stole him for. Good move by Pels.
24 Mar 2017 02:34:31
Porter has improved his game this season. He's upped his field goal and free throw percentage and shooting 45% from three, upped his scoring, is a decent rebounder, and will get you steals and a block, he's a good defender, and he's like what 23, 24? Teams would easily give him 5 years 100 million and a team like the nets would give him a max to see if he could be a star stepping out of the stars shadows from wall and beal like the Mavericks did with Barnes (I personally think Porter is better) .
24 Mar 2017 03:32:03
Porter will be Allen Crabbe. After the big contract, his game will fall.
24 Mar 2017 15:34:49
EXACTLY what I was thinking USA. The king. a drastic diviation from your career norms in a contract year is NOT a reason to throw money at a player. Porter shows all indications of a good, not great, player. If you really think you can devote 20% of your team cap to a third, fourth or fifth option, go for it. But that's the mentality to screw yourself.
Especially when someone goes, well, Parsons got more. So what. So the knicks should make a terrible contract because another team did a similar terrible contract?
Right now, Porter is 5th on his team in scoring. Bela, Wall, Bojan, Morris, and Gortat is just behind him. HE IS THE FIFTH OPTION ON HIS TEAM. Prior to this year, his best year is 36% from 3, and it wasnt because of a lack of opportunity. This year is good, not great. And by no means an indication that you should spend that kind of money on the guy. It just simply makes no sense.
24 Mar 2017 18:01:23
I wish they would change all sports contracts to a minimum with bonuses to make more if you play good. You play like a star you'll get paid as such. You play like a slacker you get paid as one. Stop paying for what they did in the past, start paying for what they did that year. Of course that will never happen.
25 Mar 2017 18:55:53
Hamburger, I'm also a Knicks fan, and I'm going to have to disagree with you on Melo vs. Porter.
Yes, Melo is the better player today, but Washington's two best players are still young, so they can wait out the Cavs before making a serious challenge for the title. By time they have a real shot at coming out of the East, Porter will be more valuable than Melo.
I believe the best chance to move Melo is to either a desperate under performing team like the Clips, or a win now team like the Cavs.
28 Mar 2017 03:00:05
Luxury tax is 122 million next year. If you pay three guys a combined 75 million, you have almost 50 million left. That's enough to fill out a team.
16 Mar 2017 00:36:28
Waive liggins and jones
Kyle Korver (3 yr 18 mil)
Deron Williams (2 yr 6 mil)
Derrick Williams (2 yr 4 mil)
Andrew Bogut (1 yr vet min)
Josh Smith (1yr vet min)
Irving Williams felder
Smith shumpert Jefferson
James korver smith
Love frye Williams
Thompson bogut sanders
16 Mar 2017 04:46:17
Both D Wills and Bogut will get more than that.
16 Mar 2017 04:59:15
Why would Bogut get more? He's washed up and has had way too many injuries.
16 Mar 2017 06:06:42
Williams and Bogut could likely get more elsewhere but they aren't going to get much more from a team that is in championship contention like the Cavs.
16 Mar 2017 06:17:29
If the Cav's can't do it this year what makes you think the these same guys will do it next year? . The Cavs window with James is shrinking rapidly. The reason why Gilbert didn't make a significant splash during the trade deadline is because he lost 50+ million last year. A smart man will make that mistake twice, otherwise he would have dealt for Boogie.
16 Mar 2017 16:02:30
Meant to say A smart man will not make that mistake twice. Was sleepwalking when I posted that.
16 Mar 2017 17:38:05
They added Korver before the deadline, but why would they add money or waste assets when the players available after buyouts were going to be in the same level as anything else they can add. I think they'll retain Korver, if they can sign him somewhere near the amount he's currently making. Which seems somewhere close to what he's worth at this point. I don't think Gilbert is going to cut spending this offseason with Lebron looking to sign a long term deal. I think they'll do what they can to keep Deron and Derrick, but they don't have bird rights on either so the money they can give them is limited. I don't see Bogut coming back. If Sanders can play reasonably well, they don't need him. I think Liggins will be gone and Osman will take his place and if Osman can play at a decent level Jr, Korver or Shump could be moved to save on luxury tax. As for your assertion that Lebron is on his way down, He's having one fo the better years of his career and Love and Irving both are still improving.
13 Mar 2017 15:10:09
Cavs get: 2 future 2nd rounders
2. Overpay for jj Reddick. We have tons of cap room, and non of the top tier elite guys is looking at philly at this stage. Offer him something he can't refuse, 3 years 75 million. It won't hurt philly to overpay at all, and he would be awesome with this young team.
3. Bring over korkmaz from Europe.
4. Assuming we get the 5th pick, draft Monk.
Good mix of young guys and vets.
Sixers would have there own pick and Lakers unprotected #1 in 2018. Plus, there own pick and kings unprotected #1 in 2019.
13 Mar 2017 19:21:12
If not Frye, maybe Olnyk or Miritoc as back up pf. Both are restricted fas at the end of the season. And much younger then frye.
13 Mar 2017 20:11:09
If a GM were to pay JJ Redick 25 million per year over three years they would probably be fired. He's much more likely to sign a deal around 18 million for two years because he is getting old. Even though 76ers have cap space it does not make sense to just throw money at older players, look at the Lakers with Mozgov and Deng.
13 Mar 2017 21:00:28
Tom the GOAT Brady:
Sixers will uave to overpay a bit. Maybee 22mill per for 2 years for reddick will do it. Reddick has some tred on the tires still. he's still producing at a high rate and is the exact kind of guy the sixers could use to teach some of the young guys how to win in the NBA. Deng and Mozgov where horrible signings, i see reddick mote as a korver type, but a few years younger.
13 Mar 2017 22:36:49
Redick doesn't deserve 3 years for that much. Maybe 2yr 50m would do it.
13 Mar 2017 23:25:09
Reddick is only 32, and is the perfect kind of guy that will age very well. He's going to get waaay more than 2 years 18 million. I don't think 18-25 million per year for 3 years is out of his value in the current salary cap of the NBA.
14 Mar 2017 01:32:04
I think Reddick is in the 3/ $54mm range.
14 Mar 2017 04:04:03
I think JJ is in the 3/ 30-36 mil range.
14 Mar 2017 19:46:08
JJ won't be with the LAC next season @18m/ yr, or at what I predicted. If he's playing for a title he will take less to win, if he's playing for a paycheck then he might get 3/ 45 but he'll be on a crappy team. All depends what the player is playing for. Only 1 championship quality team with plenty of cap room can absorb that next year and that's the Warriors.