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20 Oct 2017 14:34:35
cleveland and indiana

cavs get thadeus young and miles turner


pacers get iman shumpert and channing frye and cedi osman and brooklyn 2018 pick


cavs lineup
rose
wade
bron
love
turner

smith
crowder
green
young
thompson

thomas injured
calderon
korver
zizic

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20 Oct 2017 15:17:30
HA HA HA.

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20 Oct 2017 17:56:24
Sure. That trade will be approved on Fantasy Island. Mr Roarke and Tattoo are doing all the paperwork. Get real Dimitri.

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20 Oct 2017 21:50:45
pacers could do a lot worse for turner than the nets pick, but cle prob needs to add another player on about young’s level. possibly crowder, thompson or jr.

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20 Oct 2017 08:19:14
Boston: M Gasol

Memphis: G Hayward+ return Memphis pick.


Horford is aging, so should boston go all in now? Trading an injuyred Hayward for a center that fits the system.

Memphis could do thit, they get the pick back and start tanking in a loaded Western conference. If Hayward recovers, they get an all star and they have no problem absorbing the contract when they're rebuilding

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20 Oct 2017 12:52:36
It's not a bad idea for Memphis, but basketball aside, nobody would ever sign with Boston again if they pulled this. Moving IT shows that nobody is sacred in the quest for 18.Moving Hayward would just be cruel.

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20 Oct 2017 13:16:18
Haywood is not going anywhere.

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20 Oct 2017 13:40:03
@supercollider, do you agree, Boston should go all in now or trade Horford?

Boston can't beat cleveland without Hayward and they need a center.

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20 Oct 2017 14:03:08
I don't think Boston needs to go all in now at all. They have two young studs in Brown and Tatum, and a young star in Kyrie. That's a core you can build around, and if the Lakers pick comes through this season, they'll likely have a big man prospect to add to that core. They basically have the Philly "process" construct while also having guys like Horford and Hayward to star now and top role players like Smart and Rozier. This group is poised to be competitive for the next ten to fifteen years, so they shouldn't blow too much up to try to win it all once.

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20 Oct 2017 14:04:09
That seems like a lot of for a center that doesn't really fit with the rest of the team's timeline. Challenging the Cavs this year was always a long shot. Now that Hayward is out, in my opinion, they should trade Horford for assets and contracts that would help them get a young big man sometime in the next year and a half. Loading up to make a run next year and for the foreseeable future makes the most sense. Why rush now and potentially give up assets that could actually win them a title down the line rather than assets that might get them back to the ECFs this year.

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20 Oct 2017 17:31:47
Makes no sense to trade Horford now. He is invaluable to the team, especially after Haywards injury. He still fits their timeline. He will help them be competitive now and will help them until the kids, Brown, Tatum and whoever else is ready. Who knows, maybe they catch lightning in a bottle and win something.
The last thing they need is moRe future picks.

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20 Oct 2017 18:51:07
Boston is done dealing, except maybe moving Smart at the deadline if he has a bad year and won't give a hometown discount on the next contract. It's all about developing the kids, getting on the same page and re-signing Irving a year from now.
Gasol? Maybe a year from now when he's on the decline and can be had for pennies on the buck.

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20 Oct 2017 21:39:14
Yeah celtics won't trade Hayward and horford would only be traded along with assets for a young gun just have to take the Hayward injury on the chin.

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19 Oct 2017 19:33:58
The way suns played maybe they can get Bledsoe traded maybe bulls take him for cam Payne and QP and Portis.

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19 Oct 2017 04:58:43
If NOP twin towers didn't work out.

NOP-WAS

Cousins for Gortat, Oubre, 2018 WAS first round pick

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19 Oct 2017 09:02:27
that would propably a good move.
But no way NO does this.

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19 Oct 2017 11:16:56
NOs would want atleast one high end pick or prospect for Cousins. This makes no sense for them. I doubt they would even want, the pick will be fairly late and Oubre is doesn't have enough upside to make it worth it.

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19 Oct 2017 12:59:54
porter instead of oubre. i think porter is overpaid and it would be worth it for wash if they can get boogie to resign.

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19 Oct 2017 13:15:38
I don't think it's going to work out. Though AD and DMC are much more athletic than the twin towers of the past, this experiment is still a dinosaur that will be extinct by mid-season. Did anyone see how marginalized Jrue looked last night?

Even with DMC's impending FA and what will become general panic in NO, they will be looking for and will get more than this in a deal. The prospect will either already have proven to be better than or have more upside to Oubre, and if the 1st is going to that late in the 1st round, a second pick will need to be added.

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19 Oct 2017 15:02:07
Yeah, Boston, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Charlotte and Detroit in the East could all beat that and could be suitors. In the West, Portland, SA in a 3 way, both LAs, the Rocketsand the Thunder could probably put together better packages.

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18 Oct 2017 18:41:12
BOS - MIL

BOS get: Khris Middleton and Greg Monroe (exp)

pg. Irving/ Rozier
sg. Middleton/ Smart
sf. Tatum/ Brown (Hayward)
pf. Morris/ Yabusele
c. Monroe/ Baynes

MIL get: Al Horford

pg. Brogdon/ Delladoa
sg. Snell/ Vaughn
sf. Antentuompko/ Parker
pf. Maker/ Teletovic
c. Horford/ Henson

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18 Oct 2017 19:08:56
With Middleton's contract and age, he probably has more value than Horford.

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18 Oct 2017 20:48:11
I don't like it for the C's, if feels like a knee jerk reaction to Heyward's loss. They have wings, but are already short in the front court. Monroe is a reserve, whereas Horford is a quality starter.

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18 Oct 2017 22:00:24
The only good thing here would be the C's would get out of Horfords contract which could open the door for another trade at the TD, possibly M Gasol if they don't think they'd be able to acquire Boogie or AD.

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19 Oct 2017 10:35:19
Billj, Gasol is to old to fit with what the Celtics are doing. Now with the Hayward injury, I think what little chance there was that Boston would go after Cousins is probably gone. I think they'll wait it out to see if Davis is available come next year.

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19 Oct 2017 11:57:49
Gasol would just be a player to help make the #'s work for the most part, but he could also help the C's if by chance they go into the 2nd rd. of the playoffs.

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19 Oct 2017 13:44:12
Billj, I think Memphis would want something fairly significant for Gasol. I don't think it would be worth it for Boston to give up assets for him. Especially if they still have their eyes on adding another young big man (AD, KP, Turner, or Gobert would be ideal) .

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20 Oct 2017 15:04:01
rk, hopefully when Morris comes back he'll help spread the floor. But right now they need a big. With the loss of Hayward I really can't see the C's being any kind of threat in the East now. And also can't see any deal for one those bigs unless Brown or Tatum is involved with multiple 1st rd. picks.

Trading Bradley is going to come back and bite DA in the butt, KO will be missed as well.

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18 Oct 2017 08:41:55
CHI/NY/MIL

CHI get Joakim Noah & 1st round pick NYK (top 7 protected)

NY get Bobby Portis, Greg Monroe (exp) & MIL 2nd round pick

MIL get Robin Lopez

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18 Oct 2017 11:39:58
It would take more than a first to get rid of Noah's contract and why give up Lopez and Portis to take that on?

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17 Oct 2017 18:02:09
Cle: McCollum+ Porzingis

Port: K Love+ I Thomas

NY: Z Collins+Zizic+ 1rnd pick Nets+ 1rnd pick Portland+ 1rnd pick Cle 2020

Cle:
C:Porzingis/ T Thompson
PF: LBJ/Frye
SF:Crowder/ Osman
SG: D wade/ K Korver
PG: McCollum/ D Rose

Portland:
C Nurkic
PF: K Love
Sf: Harkless
Sg:Turner
Pg: D Lillard
Sixth: IT

NY can start a rebuilt (real tanking without Porzingis) they will have two high lottery picks so they could draft Doncic and Porter in next year's draft.

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17 Oct 2017 20:56:45
Cleveland getting way too much.

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17 Oct 2017 23:05:58
Why does Portland do this?

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18 Oct 2017 00:06:08
Cleveland is getting to much, but i think this trade would make Portland a better team. The combo K Love+ Nurkic would be great. And IT could be an awesome sixth man in that team.

And NY should go for a total rebuilt. They would win 35-40 games with Porzingis, so they can't draft a great player and they can't sign a bigg free agent. This could make Porzingis unhappy. Trading him for the Nets pick, gives their own pick more value.
Tanking is the best way to create a superteam. They could end up with the two top picks and draft Porter and Doncic. And they could draft Barret the year after.

This could be a contender by 2023
C: Collins
PF: Zigic
SF :Porter
SG: Barret
PG: Doncic.

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18 Oct 2017 00:44:12
I hate it for Portland. You can’t bring Thomas off the bench, but Lillard and Thomas would be a train wreck defensively. I think I’d rather go for porzingis if I’m Portland, offering McCollum, Collins, and a pick.

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18 Oct 2017 08:27:03
@BMiller

The Knicks should go for a rebuilt, not trade a young star for an older star.

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18 Oct 2017 10:13:27
CJ is 26, which I would not consider old. Throw in Collins and a 1st, and I would not mind moving Zinger for that.

Kris is obviously not going to be a bust, but I'm not sold on him taking the next step towards Super Stardom. I'm not a fan of his "opportunistic" defense (block or bust) and I'm a kitten concerned with his overall drive to continue his improvement. I hope I'm wrong, and I very much may be proven to be, but it would not shock me if he spends his career putting up 18, 8 and two block stat lines while making just one or two all-star games.

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18 Oct 2017 12:01:14
comme on Triangle.

McCollum is 26, they already have Ntilikina.
They would still win 35-40 games
They still can't sign another big free agent and they still stay mediocre.
If NY trades Porzingis, it should be for younger players and draft picks.
It's the only way to create a superteam and become a contender.

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18 Oct 2017 16:11:01
I agree Gusapo, if I’m the Knicks I go young, gets picks, and build through the draft. The problem is that Nolan is the lease patient owner in the NBA. A move like this would be typical Knicks.

In retrospect, I also probably wouldn’t pay that high of a price for Porzingis that I said. I think he and McCollum are very similar overall.

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18 Oct 2017 16:18:11
26 is young Gasupo, and McCollum is not a PG.

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18 Oct 2017 16:57:46
im a fan of por moving mccollum if you can improve the team, but IT is not the guy to do it for. i see no way him and dame can work in an offense together (and let's not even get into defense)
i would need a top level wing to move cj.
on paper the cavs are getting a steal here, but i'd hesitate to shake up the team this much, especially if u need to speed up porzingis star development on a contender. and i think wade and jr are just fine for their 2 rotation.

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18 Oct 2017 19:35:03
Disagree that McCollum isn’t a PG. He’s probably more natural at point, even if he doesn’t have amazing passing skills, defensively he is much better at point. And in Cleveland, he wouldn’t be the main ball handler anyway, Lebron would be. he'd be a perfect fit at point on that team.

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19 Oct 2017 09:10:23
26 isn't young for a rebuilding team.

McCollum is the perfect pointguard for Cleveland.

The only team that should hesitate is Portland. Giving up the pick.
The reason they do this, is K Love, not IT
the trio K Love-Nurkic- D Lillard could make the western finals. IT is jus a bonus, he's hurt for the moment. So everyting he does is extra. He could become a good sixth man, playing against lesser players. And Lillard can rest enough, because they have a great second pointguard, that can score.

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17 Oct 2017 15:48:18
Bulls-Heat

Bulls: Justice Winslow and 2nd round pick

Heat: Jerian Grant and Bobby Portis.

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17 Oct 2017 18:03:00
The Heat need a four and Portis could be a good fit in that team, but no way they trade Winslow for him.

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17 Oct 2017 23:07:12
We know what Portis is, but we're waiting to see if Winslow can become a star. Miami says no for now.

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19 Oct 2017 07:22:24
i Like it, but i would give a top 10 prot pick for winslow, he might never be a good off player but if he does the the road, atleast heat got a pick out of it, if he doesn't then bulls only got someone good at D. while heat still get a pick.

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17 Oct 2017 14:03:41
Drummond for Shumpert, Thompson and 2018 BRK pick

Cavs resign Derrick Williams

Cavs 5
Thomas
Wade
James
Love
Drummond

6th man Crowder

Bench
Rose/Calderon
Smith/Holland
Osman/Korver
Green/Williams
Frye/Zizic

Pistons 5
Jackson
Bradley
Johnson
Harris
Thompson

6th man Shumpert

Bench
Smith/Galloway
Kennard/Buycks
Bullock/Montero
Leuer/Tolliver/Moreland
Marjanovic/Ellenson

Cavs become non-destructable.

Pistons have +33 wins according to Hollinger's. They may not be winning player-wise but the Brooklyn pick is going to turn up something high.

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17 Oct 2017 15:06:01
I don't think Drummond is a big enough upgrade over Thompson to justify giving up a potential top 5 pick in a loaded draft. Maybe if Detroit was really motivated to move Drummond and they would take that package with this years Cavs first the 2021 first something like top 10 protected and either Zizic or Osman, I could see it.

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17 Oct 2017 18:04:10
I wouldn't trade the Nets pick for Drummond.

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17 Oct 2017 00:29:22
Bucks get O'Quinn Noah 2 ny 2nd 1 La 2nd
Lakers get Kanter Baker McDermott Beasley Randle
Knicks get Henson Deng Clarkson Bogut Teletovic

Lakers dump Deng at cost of Clarkson.
Bucks get quality center depth behind Monroe to give them great balance in the east. Add picks for equal talent.
Knicks rebuild with def.

Clarkson/Ntilikina/Jack
Lee/Dotson/Session
Hardaway/Deng/Kuzminkas
Henson/Thomas/Teletovic
Porzingis/Hernangomez/Bogut

Brogdan/Dellavedova/Terry
Middleton/Snell/Brown
Giannis/Wilson/Vaughn
Maker/Parker/Sanders
Monroe/O'Quinn/Noah

Ball/Ennis/Baker
Pope/Brewer/Hart
Ingram/Kuzma/McDermott
Randle/NanceJr/O'Bryant
Lopez/Kanter/Zubac

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17 Oct 2017 04:40:09
Wow, there's a lot of garbage floating around in this one. I don't like it for anyone.

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17 Oct 2017 13:14:33
The Bucks quickly say no. Is O'quinn even an upgrade over Henson? And considering teams can buy 2nd
Round picks for around 2 million dollars, the Bucks would need to get around 27 2nd round picks for this to make sense.

I think the Lakers turn this down as well. Why give up Clarkson if it doesn't open up the cap space that you want next year.

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