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04 Feb 2016 23:41:18
I know there are bigger, better and more interesting trade ideas with all of the trade rumors swirling around today. But as a Timberwolves fan, I've got to try to make some deal happen.
Here are a variety of Kevin Martin trade ideas. All of the trades are with teams that have either been mentioned in rumors as having interest in Kevin Martin or that could use extra scoring punch of the bench. All of the trades work as far as the salary cap is concerned (confirmed with ESPN NBA Trade Machine) . Tell me which one you think is most likely and most realistic.

Minnesota and Cleveland:
- Kevin Martin to Cleveland using their 10 million dollar trade exception (Acquired in Brendan Haywood trade) and Minnesota's 2019 second round pick (Traded to Cleveland in Tyus Jones deal) .

Minnesota and Memphis:
- Kevin Martin to Memphis for Courtney Lee and Bostons 2016 2nd round pick.

Minnesota and Dallas:
- Kevin Martin and Tayshaun Prince to Dallas for Raymond Felton, Dwight Powell and Dallas' 2017 2nd round pick.

Minnesota and Oklahoma City
- Send Kevin Martin and Tayshaun Prince to the Thunder for Steve Novak, Josh Huestis, either the Ish Smith or the Perry Jones trade exceptions and 1 or more of the Thunders 3 2016 2nd round picks: (Their own, The Hornets' and The Kings') . Also, the rights to recently drafted Kentuvky big man Dakari Johnson could be sent instead of a second round pick.

Minnesota and Los Angeles Clippers:
- Kevin Martin and Tayshuan Prince to the Clippers for Jamal Crawford, CJ Wilcox and the Brooklyn Net's 2016 second round pick.

Minnesota and Miami:
- Kevin Martin and Tayshaun Prince to Miami for Chris Andersen, Jarnell Stokes and Miami's 2018 second round pick.

Finally, if none of the above trades, or any other trade is possible, the Wolves could trade Martin to Philidelphia in a pure salary dump.
- Kevin Martin and the Houston Rockets 2016 2nd round pick (top-45 protected) to Philly for a player.

Other teams that have been rumored to have been interested, or could use Martin: Sacramento, Milwaukee, Toronto, Detroit, New York Knicks, Washington, Houston, Portland and Utah.

Obviously as you can see, I think that Kevin Martin can be a valuable piece for a team competing for a playoff spot and that needs three point shooting and scoring off the bench. I put Martins trade value as an expiring contract (simply to make the numbers work) and another young prospect and/ or second round pick. I also think that Tayshaun Prince could be a valuable piece for a playoff team as a wing defender. He has playoff experience and is still a viable defensive small forward two couples together makes sense. What Martin lacks in defense, Prince provides.

I put a lot of time into making this. So please take the time to read it and give me feedback as to which trade you think is most realistic, most likely and most logical. If you have another possible trade or a counteroffer, please comment that as well. If you think Martins value is less or more than I stated, let me know.

Finally, here's another possible trade just for fun:

Kevin Martin, Adreian Payne, the Houston Rockets 2016 second round pick (top-45 protected) and the Minnesota Timberwolves 2018 second round pick
FOR
Markieff Morris.

This might be a stretch, as the Suns seem to think Morris has more trade value than he really does. However, I think Morris would fit nicely into the 'Wolves' core. Also, if the Suns are ready to blow up their roster, why would t they trade that headache for a power forward with potential: Adreian Payne and 2 second round picks.

08 Jan 2016 18:06:53
Minnesota Timberwolves trade with Sacramento Kings:

Minnesota trades:
Kevin Martin, Andre Miller and 2018 1st round pick (lottery protected)

Sacramento trades:
Ben McLemore and Seth Curry


Kevin Martin would give the Kings a quality player that they have been rumored to have interest in. Furthermore, Andre Miller used to play for George Karl in Denver and could serve as a mentor to the younger players as well as help teach them Karl's system. The trade only happens if Sacramento is determined to make a playoff push this season.

I propose this trade as a Timberwolves fan

What do you guys think? Is this enough to pry McLemore from Sac-town, or too much or too little. The deal could also be done by taking out Andre Miller and Seth Curry. Then it would be simply K-Mart and a 1st for McLemore.

1.) 08 Jan 2016 18:32:12
No way SAC do this, especially if pick is lottery protected.

2.) 08 Jan 2016 18:35:23
I don't like it for sac or wolves. Sac gives up a kid full of potential for a guy at the end of his career and a guaranteed late pick? Heck no. You want my potentially young stud, you trade me this years pick and Martin and it isn't protected. Mclemore was a top 5 pick, I'm not trading him 2 years later for an old man and a 2018 at best 16th pick. The the wolves have 2 young sgs, and both need minutes to grow and get better. The wolves are trading Martin it give more minutes to shabazz, not to potentially replace him.

3.) 08 Jan 2016 19:18:06
First, MIN can't trade a lottery protected 2018, because they already did this to get Adrian Payne.

My main question though is asking how long you hold off on a guy before you know he's a bust, and adjust his value accordingly? Wolves waited way too long on Derrick Williams and Wes Johnson - both Top Five picks. McLemore has been a huge disappointment both seasons, on both sides of the ball. I am not seeing him as a "potentially young stud, " any more.

4.) 08 Jan 2016 19:29:17
I get he isn't as valuable as he was, but that deal gives him basically 0 value. And if I'm the Kings I hold on for potential until his rookie deal is up, why give up on a kid that is so young, especially for that. Martin isn't winning you any championships, and giving up on potential just to maybe make a run at 500 and the 8th seed is a joke. Especially when all it does it drop you back in the draft.

5.) 08 Jan 2016 19:47:43
A few things:

1. This isn't zero for McLemore. Martin isn't great, but he will probably out produce McLemore, especially if he goes back to a team where he never has to generate his own offense, and can shoot three pointers all day. Plus there is a lottery protected first round pick, so that's not zero.

2. I can understand if SAC wants to take a "wait and see" approach for even longer. But it will cost them wins for now.

3. Winning now is not a bad thing for the Kings. New ownership needs to show that this isn't the same product that's been peddled since Chris Webber left. They need community support and interest in a new stadium. They need to make Demarcus Cousins happy, so he is better on the court, and doesn't try to force a trade out.

4. Lastly, the Bulls own the 2016 SAC 1st, top 10 protected for two years. So doing better this year does nothing but retroactively make a precious trade look better, unless you thnk it helps them more if they come in as a bottom ten team.

I'm a MIN fan, and if this deal was possible, I'm not sure I'd be happy with it. Not saying Kevin Martin is worth something, just that I may have soured on McLemore so much at this point that I wouldn't trade a pick in the teens for him at this point. I don't think he is going to be a starter in the NBA, but I hope he proves me wrong.

6.) 08 Jan 2016 20:24:18
1. Trading Ben for Martin is saying Ben is a bust with 0 value.

2. Ben is shooting .459 from the floor, while Martin is shooting .366, I wonder why Martin is on the block. hmmm. So I don't see a shooting percent of .366 over .459 helping them win now or later.

3. Agreed, but Martin doesn't do that for you

4. My bad, didn't know that

This trade doesn't help the Kings AT ALL, Martin is having a horrible year that's why he is on the block, so yeah I'll take the "wait and see" approach with a kid over him.

7.) 08 Jan 2016 21:58:33
What's with this KMart hype, he is no longer a factor for any team, barely even shooting spot up 3s. plus, has two more years on contract.

8.) 08 Jan 2016 22:06:21
Agreed. He is beyond awful at defense. Can't stay on the court. And his one thing, shooting, is bad. Yes, 48% from 3 since December, yet only played 10 games and shoots below 40% from the field. He is seriously awful. It's just hype for the sake of hype. He has no value anymore.

9.) 09 Jan 2016 00:24:08
What is it with people on here, that don't know about Kevin Martin, don't find out, and STILL put their names to ignorant posts?

Martin isn't 35, he's 32. And that's easy enough to check before posting.

Martin doesn't have two more years on his deal. He has a one-year Player Option for $7.37 mil, which he probably won't even exercise as he tries to get a 2-3 year, Jeremy Lamb-type deal. His current contract is easy enough to check also, if you don't know.

So if you don't know the basics, and refuse to find out, and on top of that, choose to post here and spread your ignorance to the world, why should people think you know anything about any of the players?

Here's the deal on Martin. He was never a good defender, and his shooting percentage for the season has regressed. However, if you looked into it at all, you'd have learned that he has played most of his minutes off the bench, with the failed Zach LaVine - PG experiment. When LaVine played point, he was always baffled, and he'd End up dribbling the shot clock down to 3-4 seconds, then either shoot a 19-footer himself, or hand it to Martin, as the only guy on the bench who even had a chance of getting up a shot.

Martin's game does not rely on athleticism, and right now, he's healthier than his typical season. He is simply struggling because his teammates can't set him up, and I don't think he wants to be here any more. IMO, there is no reason that if he was on a better team, that simply had him catch and shoot (like in OKC), that he wouldn't likely revert to form . Lame defense, efficient shooter, very good three point shooter, excellent FT%. Many playoff teams can use someone with those skills.

Feel free to have your own predictions on players - we all do that, and only time will bear out if they are correct. But either find out about those players, and if you aren't willing to do that, don't still feel obligated to post false stuff to support your view.

10.) 09 Jan 2016 00:45:10
Btw, I think LeBron is over-valued. He's 74 years old, locked in for $625 million a year for 15 years, and you have to worry about polio with that guy.

That's why I think Steph Curry >> LeBron.

11.) 09 Jan 2016 00:48:18
I would do it as Kings, w/o lottery protection.

12.) 09 Jan 2016 03:26:23
Wow, someone seems a tad too attached to the crappy Kevin Martin. FYI, people who are at the end of their career, bench players, shooting well below 40% with no defense tend to exercise their almost 8 million dollar option. Perhaps that was an ignorant statement?

13.) 09 Jan 2016 10:50:58
@ Shrink, have to respond. First of all, if your proposal is not ignorance, I don't know the definition of it. 35 was sarcasm, but with his athleticism, it sure feels like it.
Contract, player option at 7,5 mil, with almost no playing time at all. yeah, he is getting 12 mil over 3 years. I am sure he picks it up after all. And 7,5 mil, it's an unnecesary burden for any team, rebuilding or contending with all the cap rises.
Decline in his game is obvious, nummbers back it up. but let's put it this way. this guy failed as a 6th man in OKC while in his prime. how could he be factor now.
Thats all, i won't be ignrant any more.

14.) 09 Jan 2016 15:08:14
"He failed in OKC" huh? I thought you weren't going to be ignorant any more?

http://goo.gl/pD0Xy9

He is also not getting 12 million over three years. He Is not getting $7.5 mil. He has a player option for $7.37 .. And I just told you that.

And I don't believe you were being sarcastic when you said he was 35 and not 32. Sarcasm would be something unreasonable for an NBA player, like oh, 74. I think you were being ignorant again.

I hope people take the time to actually watch the players they comment on, and do a little homework. If you watched the Wolves-Cavs game on ESPN last night, you saw Martin playing with Zach at PG for all his minutes, Zach shooting crazy from all over, and was even treated to Martin having to put up a half court shot as the shot clock expired, after Zach almost turned the ball over.

Look, I don't care about Kevin Martin, but I do care about people posting legitimate takes about players. Why come here and take the time to read people's posts if they don't know what they are talking about, don't find out, and base their opinions on mistake after mistake?

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08 Jan 2016 18:09:42
What do you guys think it would take to get Tyler Ennis out of Miluwalkee. A second round pick? A descent player? An expiring contract? Ennis hardly plays in Miluwalkee and is essentially stick playing fourth fiddle behind Michael Carter Williams, Jerryd Bayless and Grevis Vasquez. I think there are teams out there that could find a place for Ennis in there rotations.

1.) 08 Jan 2016 19:05:48
To Lakers, back up Russell and Clarkson next season. Take Kelly and 2nd round pick.

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05 Feb 2016 09:05:36
I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but Alex Abrines will not be signing with the Oklahoma City Thunder. He is under contract with Barcelona through 2019 and the contract has such a high buyout, that according to NBA rules, he would have to cover nearly the full amount himself.

Alex Abrines Will Never Join the Thunder"
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05 Feb 2016 01:20:47
Not a good trade for the bucks. Roy Hibbert and sucks and his contract expires at the end of the year and he will an unrestricted free agent. Crawford is a little better, but same deal, he will also be an unrestricted free agent. So basically they would be trading Greg Monroe and Michael-Carter Williams for DeAngelo Russel.
Not to mention clearly the Clippers are getting the best deal here, trading just Crawford for Michael Carter Williams. That's laughable.

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08 Jan 2016 18:30:41
He was talking about the Nets, not the Knicks.

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05 Feb 2016 01:59:38
Dakari Johnson, Josh Huestis and one of the Thunders 3 2016 2nd round picks.