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24 Oct 2017 22:30:28
Suns/Sixers

According to gm's, suns asking price for bledsoe is going to uave to come down considerably. Reports say the Knicks " laughed" at the suns asking of ntlikna and hernangomez for bledsoe. Amd that's not a whole ton of talent. Ntlikna has poyential, and hernangomez iz a nice backup. I think the sixers, with fultz's shoulder injury seeming more serious the initially thought, can put together a package of young players for bledsoe

This package may have not been enough a week ago, but may be now...
SUNS get: Okafor, Luwawa-Cab, Nets 2nd in 2018 and knicks 2nd in 2018 (sixers own both picks. Should both be in the 30-35 range).
SIXERS get: Bledsoe

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1.) 25 Oct 2017 00:30:39
And since philly is 15mill below the cap, they can take back blesoes 14mill and only send the suns 6.5 mill in return (okafor and luwawa-cab combine salary), clearing more cap space for the rebuilding suns. Actually, luwawa-cab, stauskas, anderson, and McConnell would all be interchangable in this trade.


2.) 25 Oct 2017 01:32:00
I think it all depends if they think Okafor can fit their scheme. Unless a team is willing to slow it down atleast in spurts, can Okafor ever be an effective player for them?


3.) 25 Oct 2017 02:17:03
Just because the Knicks laughed at the proposed deal, doesn't mean the Suns won't get what they want for Bledsoe. They will definitely get a 1st Rd pick and probably some young players.


4.) 25 Oct 2017 02:51:25
No matter what. PHX wants to get a young PG as part of the return for Bledsoe.


5.) 25 Oct 2017 03:53:54
id be hesitant to drop bledsoe into the simmons+fultz pg experiment. maybe bleds and simmons can mesh offensively with fultz coming off the bench, but i don't love this for the process.
and i can understand why the knicks turned that down, objectively its a good trade for them, but they obviously aren't trying to win now so bleds doesn’t really make sense for them. plus they are crazy high on ntilikina, they did draft him 8th.


6.) 25 Oct 2017 13:42:28
If the Knicks, who are apparently rebuilding, deal one or both of Willy and Frank for Bledsoe, I will lose my mind.


 

 

24 Sep 2017 19:55:50
76ers/Celtics

Boston has Horford and Baynes, and that's about it up front. No depth. Through 103 games, Okafor has averaged 15 points and 6 rebounds in 26 minutes a game. And he's just 21yrs old. Granted he struggles immensely on D, but if horford is off, in foul trouble, or injured, who scores inside for boston????
Sixers have too many young centers in Embiid, Holmes, and Okafor. Celtics have potentially 4 #1 picks in 2019.


Sixers get: worst of Kings, Grizz, Clips or Celtics 1st rd pick in 2019.
Boston gets: Okafor

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1.) 24 Sep 2017 21:32:54
Anthony Davis unlikely to be made available, but Celtics need to keep their No. 1s in case the Pelicans panic.
That's not saying Okafor isn't worth a late first, just that the Celtics need to hang on to as many assets as possible for a bigger fish.


2.) 25 Sep 2017 06:56:09
If Davis is made available, Okafor could be flipped to NO at the same value as a late first, so I don't think this would hurt Boston at all. I like the trade, and I think Horford is the kind of guy that can mask some of Okafor's issues decently.


3.) 25 Sep 2017 14:03:37
I agree with BMiller that Okafor could be the same value as the worst of all those picks, especially if Stevens is able to pull his best from him, and I also agree that they should only send the worst of the picks.

The issue, however, then becomes salary. Okafor is making just under $5 million. Who goes with the pick to make that salary work? You've got four options right now, with Baynes becoming a fifth in December when he's eligible to be traded. Those four guys are Tatum, Morris, Brown and Smart. I don't think Okafor is worth any of them straight up, let alone with a pick involved.


 

 

23 Sep 2017 18:41:47
Okc/knicks

Melo for kanter, mcbuckets, and a second rounder next year. Wow. Bad trade for knicks. Horrible return.

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1.) 23 Sep 2017 19:19:04
I figured they would atleast get a protected first. They should have bought out Melo. Kanter's contract is terrible and McDermott and are fairly irrelevant. I guess Supercollider was overestimating Melo's value this whole time.


2.) 23 Sep 2017 20:28:21
Two marginal players and a second. About right for Anthony. Thunder on the hook for $56 million over next two years. Not much left over for anyone else if Westbrook signs supermax deal.


3.) 24 Sep 2017 02:00:17
they do have pg’s bird rights. but yeah, no money for role players.


 

 

17 Sep 2017 15:05:25
76ers/Cavs

Sixers get:Frye,Cavs own 2018 1st
Cavs get:Holmes,Rockets 2018 2nd via 76ers.

Sixers could use Fryes big man shooting off bench. Gain late 1st rd pick.

Cavs could use Holmes as back up for Thompson and not lose a step(Holmes may actually be the better player here), and save 6 million in salary against the cap(which probably equates to a $15mill total savings).

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1.) 17 Sep 2017 15:13:31
Frye is a non-rotation player even in Philly and the Cavs' No. 1 is not worth much.
Holmes is a legit player who would cost more than what Cleveland is giving up.


2.) 18 Sep 2017 00:48:56
Supercollider: could the celtics use Holmes in their big man rotation? What would the boys from beantown be willing to give up for him in a fair deal? Great thing about Holmes contract is its for 1.4 this year and a team option 1.6 for the following year. Awesome for his production and potential.


3.) 18 Sep 2017 04:10:33
Holmes is a solid player, but I think Frye would be in Philly's rotation Collider. I think it all depends on how comfortable Philly is with Embiids healthy. If they aren't (speaking more long term) they need to keep Holmes as insurance. If they are, they might want to try and sell high on Holmes, who won't be playing a ton of minutes this year, since they probably won't want to pay him in 2 years. He could be looking at 10+ million dollars. Maybe out could switch the direction the 2nd is going though. I like it for the Cavs.


4.) 18 Sep 2017 10:29:53
Voug - After Fultz/ Tatum it's unlikely Boston and Philly would make another big trade. Holmes has great potential, but he has yet to play in a big game so his projected 36-minute stats (17 ppg, 1.9 blocks) might be empty calories. As to compensation, Boston's roster now has players who would be too much of an overpay plus players who wouldn't be enough to get Holmes. Suppose maybe Rozier would be somewhat equal value, but that would thin out a backcourt that already could use a little more depth. Plus, moving Holmes would force Philly to give minutes to Okafor, so it might be a trade that would hurt both teams.


5.) 18 Sep 2017 21:06:10
Sixers traded up to #25 this year to draft 7'1" Pasecniks from Latvia. he's the long term back up for Embiid. Amir Johnson gives immediate help inside to okafor if embiid gets hurt again. Holmes value is very high at the moment. Time to sell. Who needs a young, high upside bigman on a bargain basement contract for the next 2 years? Any trade ideas?


 

 

13 Sep 2017 23:16:19
76ers/Knicks

Sixers get: Melo
Knicks get: Holmes, Bayless, two of their own future 2nd rounders back.

Obviously this all hinges on Melo willing to go to philly. It is still very close to his beloved NYC, and to his hometown in D.C. Melo could be the go to scorer in crunch time and a great second scoring option behind Embiid.

Knicks get a decent pg vet in Bayless who shot 44% from deep the year before last. Holmes is a great young big prospect coming into his own on a dirt cheap deal. Holmes value around the leavue seems very high at this point. This trade helps the knicks in their youth movement and clears Melos salary.

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1.) 14 Sep 2017 13:41:09
Can't see Philly moving Holmes, given Embiid's injury issues and the fact that Okafor moves like an Easter Island statue. Plus, Anthony is a ball hog and the Sixers need Fultz and Simmons to figure things out. They can't do that when Anthony goes ISO every other possession.


2.) 17 Sep 2017 16:39:25
he grew up in baltimore.


 

 

 

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04 Dec 2017 11:13:59
Clippers don't entertain this deal at all.

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03 Dec 2017 17:28:44
Sixers don't need randle at a cost of taking on Dengs contract. Philly doesn't want any part of this deal.

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03 Dec 2017 13:36:55
Trade makes zero sense. Sixers do not need pg depth, with Simmons, McConnell, Bayless and Fultz (albeit currntly injured) on the roster. And why would they give up a first round pick for another pg? Sixers may wind up trading the pick and Okafor, but not for a package for another back up at a position they are strong at already.

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12 Nov 2017 00:33:28
Magic won that trade big time. And the same trade set the sixers back for years.

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11 Nov 2017 14:11:56
Sixers get:Andrew Bynum (remember him? ) for Igoudala, Vucevic, Harkless, and a first round pick. Bynum never saw the floor for the sixers.

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