12 Feb 2016 23:56:36
Hawk / Heat
Hawks get: Gerald Green, Goran Dragic, and Amare Stoudemire
Heat get: Jeff Teague, Kyle Korver, and Mike Muscala
Hawks would get an athletic scorer, good point guard, and a veteran back up big that I think can still play well, not what he used to be for sure but I think with the Hawks system he would get hurt less and he can grab some boards for us and provide a veteran presence.
Heat would get an all-star level point guard along side Wade and would keep a lot of pressure off of Wade. Korver would be a valuable sharpshooter off the bench behind Wade. And Moose is a young big man, has great energy, and is a lot younger then Amare and Haslem. Not injury prone as well.
I don't know what yall think but I think it works for both teams.
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12 Feb 2016 08:31:19
Lakers/ Raptors/ Celtics/ Heat
Lakers trade: Lou Williams, Nick Young and Larry Nance
Lakers receive: David Lee and Toronto's first round pick (Currently 10th)
- Lakers create more salary space for this offseason while also getting a potential lottery pick
Raptors trade: Jonas Valanciunas and first round pick
Raptors receive: Hassan Whiteside, Lou Williams, and one of the Celtics first round picks
- Raptors are in win now mode in order to convince Derozan to stay with the team. Getting Whiteside and Williams would be a huge upgrade for the playoffs and they'll also have a higher chance of getting Whiteside to resign in the offseason
Celtics trade: David Lee, Marcus Smart, and a first round pick
Celtics receive: Jonas Valanciunas, Nick Young, and Beno Udrih
- Celtics have way too many guards and are in desperate need of a center so swapping Smart for Valanciunas helps them tremendously while Young and Udrih are decent players to come off the bench
Heat trade: Hassan Whiteside and Beno Udrih
Heat receive: Marcus Smart and Larry Nance
- It's extremely unlikely that Heat will be able to resign Whiteside so getting Marcus Smart gives them a valuable asset they can use to either trade later on or keep him for when wade is gone
Thoughts? (BTW this deal worked out perfectly on ESPN trade machine)
12 Feb 2016 13:55:40
One thought. No one is giving the Lakers a top 10 pick for two crappy contracts and Nance.
Two thoughts actually. JV is more NBA ready than Whiteside right now, and Williams was replaced by Joseph. Whiteside has no playoff experience, and Lou Will hasn't contributed to anything in the playoffs throughout his career. Wasn't last year his first time in the playoffs? Raptors do not get better for the playoffs with this trade.
12 Feb 2016 14:14:44
Marcus Smart is untouchable.
12 Feb 2016 15:31:50
Take out nance and young and instead of giving us the knicks we could only get a late first for Lou like the raptors late first.
12 Feb 2016 22:20:55
Marcus smart is not untouchable. .
11 Feb 2016 21:26:23
Sixers trade OK4 and Miami 1st round pick to Orlando.
Orlando trades Vucavic and Payton to Sixers.
Why? Sixers take on big contract, get their guard, and Vuc is better away from hole than OK4. Orlando gets young stud center to build around at a much lower cost.
11 Feb 2016 21:45:15
ORL say no.
11 Feb 2016 21:47:58
Loosing Payton is bigger loss than geting Okafor for Vucevic, which isn't much. Also, Vuc has very good contract.
11 Feb 2016 22:05:50
Orlando doesn't have any salary issues. They have no need to shed cap. At this point, vucevic is a better all around center. And consistent enough that they aren't getting rid of him. Basically, it's questioning if the heat 1st is worth Payton. I see zero chance the magic agree to this.
By the ways. A legit starting center for 11 mill is a GREAT contract moving forward. So that isn't enticing.
12 Feb 2016 00:27:45
Sixers pass big time. Vuc couldn't stop okafor when they played. and Payton doesn't really impress me.
12 Feb 2016 04:09:06
He impresses me more than ish smith.
11 Feb 2016 18:47:00
Boston: J Okafor+ C Andersen+ c Landry
Miami: D12+ Smart
Hou: D Lee+ Dragic+ Whiteside
Philly: T Lawson+ Olynyk+ 1rnd pick Nets+ 1rnd pic Boston.
I really think this improves all teams.
Boston receives a young star
Miami gets the best center in the NBA (if Healty) . I think he has still a few good years left in the tank.
Houston would have a great starting five.
Giving up Okafor is hard for Philly, but a good Lawson can become an all star and imagine the Nets pick or their own pick become the 1st one, they can draft B Simmons.
11 Feb 2016 19:22:18
definitely not what the Celtics would want at all. Okafor doesn't fit what they want. he isn't a very good defender and I don't believe that Ainge would be willing to trade Smart and 2 first round picks especially one being Brooklyns for Okafor and 2 scraps.
A big NO from Boston.
11 Feb 2016 19:24:12
Did you really call Howard the best center in the league? He's hasn't even been top 5 since Orlando.
11 Feb 2016 21:12:27
11 Feb 2016 08:44:27
11 Feb 2016 13:48:28
Not thanks from Sixers.
13 Feb 2016 00:11:44
Blazers also say nope.
11 Feb 2016 06:42:34
Sixers trade Ish smith heat first
Hawks trade Schroeder and 2016 second.
11 Feb 2016 13:48:39
11 Feb 2016 15:09:53
Not enough for Hawks to trade Schroeder.
11 Feb 2016 06:20:36
Miami get Melo Rose Early Felicio Barstow Grant Kings 1st
Knicks get Deng Whiteside Winslow
Bulls get Dragic Andersen Haslem
Both team could beat Cavs
Rose/ Udrih/ Grant
Wade/ Johnson/ Richardson
Melo/ Green/ Early
McRoberts/ Stokes/ Bairstow
Bosh/ Amare/ Felicio
Dragic/ Brooks/ Moore
Butler/ Snell/ Hinrich
Mirotic/ Dunleavy/ McDermott
Gibson/ Portis/ Haslem
Gasol/ Noah/ Anderson
Lopez Calderon for Lee Bradley
Bradley/ Galloway/ Freddette
Afflalo/ Thomas/ Vujacic
Deng/ Winslow/ Amundson
Porzingis/ D-Will/ O'Quinn
Whiteside/ Lee/ Seraphin.
11 Feb 2016 01:57:52
Knicks Deadline Moves
Hawks get Jose Calderon, Lance Thomas, Cleanthony Early, two future 2nd round draft picks
Knicks get Jeff Teague and Tim Hardaway Jr.
Rockets get Robin Lopez, Derrick Williams, Jerian Grant, the rights to Guillermo Hernangomez, Sasha Vujacic, a future 1st round draft pick, and two future 2nd round draft picks
Knicks get Dwight Howard, Terrence Jones, and Jason Terry
Clippers get Kyle O'Quinn, Lou Amundson, and a future 2nd round draft pick
Knicks get Jamal Crawford and Pablo Prigioni
Heat get Thanasis Antetokoumpo and a future 2nd round draft pick
Knicks get A'mare Stoudemire
Sign Jimmer Fredette from the D-League
Sign Tony Wroten
SG Crawford (6th man)
PF/ C Stoudemire
PG/ SG Galloway
PG/ SG Wroten
PF/ SF Jones
SG/ PG Terry
PG/ SG Fredette
C/ PF Seraphin
SG Hardaway Jr.
So what do you guys think? None of these will probably happen but are any of them possible? Do any of them make sense? Are they fair in value?
11 Feb 2016 02:22:32
How many future seconds are you going to keep giving?
11 Feb 2016 00:17:28
Boston: J Okafor+ C Andersen+ c Landry
Miami: D12+ Smart
Hou: D Lee+ Dragic+ Whiteside
Philly: T Lawson+ Olynyk+ 1rnd pick Nets+ 1rnd pic Boston.
11 Feb 2016 00:53:05
Ugh it's a terribly tough call from Sixers perspective. I think I'll keep okafor. He's just too good to give up for anything other then a star player.
11 Feb 2016 14:08:58
I would previously jump all over this and like the trade: The Sixers get back a professional PG, the Nets' pick (probably top 5- Dunn or Murray), Olynyk (a solid backup) and another pick.
BUT: Has anyone seen what Ty Lawson is doing this year? What's his deal?
I guess if he recovers from this lousy year than I'm happy and I guess if he doesn't he becomes an expiring contract next year.
OK: I do it. I think Olynyk plus the Nets' pick plus another Boston pick works for OK4. I'll take my chances that Embiid can play and if not, I have a backup for Noel.
11 Feb 2016 15:12:54
It's a tough call I know. But I can trade okafor for that value. I need to save him for a star player or just keep him. He's going to be a star in this league. Just a. Matter of time.
11 Feb 2016 16:40:21
Wow a four team deal and I have no clue who wins! Nice trade.
10 Feb 2016 20:25:06
Highly doubtful the Hawks blow it up but if they do these are some interesting trade ideas they could do all at once
1)) ) Celtics trade Bradley James young and Brookyln pick this year to Hawks
Hawks trade al Horford
2)) ) ) Sixers trade nerlen Noel and staukis plus either Miami or okc pick to Hawks
Hawks trade: Jeff teages.
3)) ) ) Cavs trade shumpert
Hawks trade Kyle Krover and Justin holiday
This last trade seems like the Hawks lose but korver is 34 and shumpert is 25. So they go for the future.
Starting five after trades for Hawks
But also will have a top five pick coming from Brookyln and another close to middle pick coming form Miami or okc.
Not a bad rebuild/ retooling measure. With Brookyln pick I'd choose best player available.
10 Feb 2016 20:34:04
That's a bad trade for Boston.
10 Feb 2016 20:39:52
Don't see the C's trading a likely top 5 pick and Avery Bradley for a possible rental in horford. And no way would the Hawks get Noel and a first round pick for only teague.
10 Feb 2016 20:50:34
No way from the sixers. Noel by himself is more valuable than a middle of the pack PG.
10 Feb 2016 20:51:50
Not enough offense
10 Feb 2016 21:03:54
I don't really see any team taking these deals. they are all in Atlanta s favor.
10 Feb 2016 21:13:07
How is it bad for Boston. They get al hortford! They need a win now guy to go with Thomas. The team would be defensive and have outside and inside threats. I'd like it. Yes you lose the Brookyln pick but who are you going to get at five that's better then hortford will be over the next five years? He's exactly what Boston needs.
10 Feb 2016 21:24:46
Boston does it to do all take the jump to really contender. Good defense with interior and outside scoring threats.
They don't need a fifth overall pick to make the jump. They need a star.
Sixers do it to establish themselves with a veteran pg. probably sign beal or derozen or one of the many other sg next year to go along with Simmons okafor and Embiid and saric as sixth man.
Cavs do it to get a three point scoring threat that can actually make a wide open shot when lebron passes it to them.
10 Feb 2016 21:44:52
True, he is what Boston needs, but is it worth giving up a top 5 pick and then have him walk away at the end of the season? The fact is Boston is not winning a 'Chip this year with or without him, so unless you're sure you can re-sign him, it's not worth giving up the pick and Bradley.
10 Feb 2016 21:45:48
Are you kidding tregib? The celtics get RIPPED. a coupel month rental isn't worth their starting 2 and a likely top 5 pick.
The sixers (which i thought you were a fan of) get fleeced in that trade.
And the cavs are stuck with shumpert and his bloated contract. this was absolutely an awful post.
10 Feb 2016 21:52:48
well first Al is a free agent at the end of the season and going to be 30. we aren't in a win now circumstance we are still building. and I wouldn't say its bad for Boston its just not what they are looking for. Ainge said he wasn't trading that pick for someone 30 or over. he wants stability, he doesn't want what happened last time, he doesn't want to win now and then go right back into rebuild.
10 Feb 2016 22:19:20
Would prefer Celts get a younger player for that Nets' pick.
11 Feb 2016 00:54:07
The whole point is to get hortford to actually stay with the Celtics of course. Like actually try getting out of NBA hell. The eight seed.
10 Feb 2016 00:22:51
Hornets get Whiteside, Deng, McRoberts, and Anderson
Heat get Jefferson, MKG, Hansbrough, and 2 future 2nd rd picks.
10 Feb 2016 00:49:10
Not enough for Whiteside.
10 Feb 2016 01:05:29
Good trade for both sides.
10 Feb 2016 01:30:36
whiteside is going to re sign w us
we don't need jefferson.
10 Feb 2016 03:40:51
Heat getting back too much.
10 Feb 2016 00:20:20
Heat trade Anderson (waived), Stokes, 2018 second round pick
Wolves trade Martin
Heat need to add another shooter as they are one of the worst shooting teams in the NBA.
Wolves unload Martin who's trade value isn't at its best to save money and open more playing time on the wing for Wiggins and LaVine.
10 Feb 2016 15:37:00
The problem with Martin trades that are based on "Wolves save money" is that they will likely need to spend it next season anyway.
I still believe that with the cap jumping $20 mil this year, and $15-20 more the next, that Martin is not going to pick up his $7.3 mil player option. But even if you assume that he does, MIN is still over $8 mil below the salary FLOOR. Without Martin, Glen Taylor is still spending $15 mil next season, whether through the leftovers of over-priced free agents, or as bonuses to his existing roster.
10 Feb 2016 15:52:58
Glen Taylor can't spend $15 on a FAs? Or better yet use the $15 to make back a player like the 76ers did with Denver and JaVale McGee and also giant another first round pick? Worry about the salary floor next year and make a move for the future core now.
09 Feb 2016 22:27:14
Orlando Magic Trade and Offseason
Heat get: Harris, Frye, Dedmon, 1st rd pick top 8 protected in '18 and this years 1st rd pick
Magic get: Whiteside, Deng, Anderson, Stokes, Haslem, Richardson
Waive: Haslem, Richardson
Let: Nicholson, Anderson, Deng go
By letting go of all of those players Orlando has about 48 Mil left in the cap because it will rise to about 90 Mil as the salary cap.
Resign: Fournier 3 yr 33 Mil (6th man)
Resign: Whiteside 5 yr Max
Resign: Smith 3 yr 15 Mil
Sign: Ian Manhimi 2 yr 12 Mil
Sign: Tyler Zeller 1 yr 2 Mil
Sign: Gerald Henderson 1 yr vet Minimum
Payton/ Watson/ Napier
Oladipo/ Fournier/ Henderson
Gordon/ Hezonja/ Marble
Vucevic/ Smith/ Stokes
Whiteside/ Manhimi/ Zeller.
09 Feb 2016 22:50:46
There's no point in trading for Whiteside. He's an UFA this offseason. The Magic wouldn't even have his Bird Rights. This is basically trading 3 players + 2 1st round picks for cap space.
10 Feb 2016 01:32:55
the heat will never waive haslem are you crazy.
09 Feb 2016 04:49:31
Celtics trade Lee, Nets 2016 first round pick
76ers trade Okafor, Heat 2016 first round pick
Now I don't think this will happen but I wanna know what you all think? I feel like this would help clear out the log jam at Center for the 76ers while giving them another likely top 5 pick to add talent on the perimeter. For the Celtics it gives them a legit franchise player and a low post scorer to go along with the young core while still giving the Celtics another first round pick but likely in the high teens. Tell me what you all think.
09 Feb 2016 05:09:00
Make it the OKC 1st rounder instead of Heat.
09 Feb 2016 08:53:32
Okafor is very far from being "a legitimate franchise player".
09 Feb 2016 13:26:35
1. The Sixers would not trade Okafor straight up for the Nets pick. The Sixers are done trading players to acquire draft picks. In addition, the Nets will probably wind up in the 5th slot. Minnesota and Phoenix are tanking hard. The Nets are trying to go the other way. If the Sixers do trade Okafor, it will be for an established or up-and-coming NBA player that fits their need at Guard.
2. The Sixers would not trade a 1st round pick for Lee and the remainder of his contract. And if they were willing to do that because they thought Lee's on floor ability was worth it, he becomes an unrestricted free agent in 60 days.
So no, the Sixers would not trade Okafor and a 1st rounder for Lee and the BKN pick.
09 Feb 2016 14:19:50
Sixers would never do that deal. Not even close to fair value for okafor the highest scoring rookie so far!
We trade the third overall pick last year and another pick this year for lee and a top five pick. In what world does that make sense? Does it really clear a log jam? Sounds to me like you need starters and back ups correct? Especially at the big man spots.
Sixers pass big time!
08 Feb 2016 22:59:28
Suns trade: Morris, tucker
Suns get: Miami first, staukas
Clippers trade: Blake
Clippers get: thunder first, Sacramento pick swap, morris, tucker, okafor
Sixes trade: Miami first, thunder first, Sacramento pick, staukas, Okafor
Sixers get: blake.
09 Feb 2016 14:22:45
I don't think the clippers are looking for young assets in a Blake trade. They want established guys to replace him.
07 Feb 2016 22:00:55
As reported in an article on foxsports, " things will get a lot worse for the suns this year after their roster is completely gutted before the trade deadline". Sun's are entering complete rebuild mode. Sixers have the assets and cap space to help both teams out.
Sixers get: Bledsoe, Booker, Chandler (and his albatross contract) .
Sun's get: Lakers #1, Miami #1, Holmes
This gives Phoenix possibly 2 top five picks this year. I think they will finish with a worse record then LA, making the laker pick more likely to convey this year. Plus they dump Bledsoe and chandlers contracts. The key is how much chandlers contracts is worth in negative value.
Sixers get a backcourt with a young vet and a good looking sg in Booker.
Pg: Bledsoe, ish,
Sg: Booker, stauskas
Sf: Simmons/ Ingram, Saric, Covington
Pf: Okafor, Saric, Noel
C: Embiid, Noel, Okafor, Chandler.
07 Feb 2016 22:19:29
The Suns aren't moving Devin Booker, he's untouchable.
07 Feb 2016 22:25:57
Sixers are one of only a couple teams who can absorb chandlers contract without it hurting too much. Sixers players are all on rookie contracts or low salary deals. By the time the team has developed and it's time to resign some of the young guys, chandlers deal will be done. And that is the time a max FA might want to sign with Philly.
07 Feb 2016 22:25:58
So you think rebuild means get rid of 2 of your 3 best young assets. Especially interesting because booker is on a rookie contract and doing great. But they do this for 1 pick that's a year or two away and a late 1st. Sure.
If the sixers fans believe they are getting a legit, young back court for 1 probably decent pick, a late first and a d leaguer. I got a bridge to sell you also. Seriously. This trade is beyond laughable.
I'm sure you justify taking the chandler contract as why they give up sooooo much more. But really, at least try.
07 Feb 2016 22:26:46
Philly doesn't have that much cap room.
07 Feb 2016 22:58:07
Devin booker is apart of the future and why would philly take on Tyson chandler bad contract and when they have plenty of bigs.
07 Feb 2016 23:10:28
jvoug. its 13 million a year, for 4 years. Are you kidding? They are rebuilding, as you pointed out. And you honestly think they need max cap space to rebuild? After giving away chandler and bledsoe, what are they left with? less than 30 million next year.
Get real. They aren't giving up booker AND bledsoe for that nonsense package. To get rid of chandlers contract? Seriously. only playoff teams do that. As you should know better than most, rebuilding teams love to absorb contracts. They don't get rid of all their assets to off a contract.
Whats amazing is when a team is claimed to be rebuilding, all of a sudden, certain fans think that means they give all their stars for a late 1st, a d leaguer and a 6 pack of coors lite. You are so dillusional, you are making other sixers fans seem bad. Just stop.
08 Feb 2016 00:00:18
Once the cap space increases, chandler's contract won't be THAT bad. It's not a joe Johnson level toxic contract. And he's a great locker room presence and teacher. I wouldn't give up a young asset to shed his deal. If Phoenix is rebuilding, cap space won't be a huge deal, they're going to be loading up on cheap deals, not signing max contracts.
08 Feb 2016 00:39:30
Did you just decide not include the Lakers #1, a possible top 5 pick out of it? That was the most Bali piece going to Phoenix. You may not like the trade, but at least criticize it for what it is, not only part of it. Settle down and have a cold one.
08 Feb 2016 13:14:42
The initial post references the lakers pick as likely good but who knows. Seriously. Just awful. You need to realize besides the sixers, no one sees mystery picks as reasons to give up the best assets.
07 Feb 2016 14:36:03
Celtics are a great team now, but this trade can make us a contendor:
Celtics get: Whiteside and Anderson
Heat get: Sullinger, Zeller and Rozier + 2016 amavs Pick and 2016 Celtics Pick.
This team is a defensive monster and a contendor in the east.
07 Feb 2016 15:47:16
I disagree with your premise.
07 Feb 2016 23:17:32
There's no guarantee that Whiteside will re-sign with Celtics. And with this line up, Thomas will probably take 40 shots a game.
08 Feb 2016 17:19:04
Celtics are already a contender in the East and a defensive juggernaut.
07 Feb 2016 14:05:45
Problems with Sixers and nuggets trading for griffin.
1) nuggets are a young team. They want young assets to build with not and not neccsarily Blake griffin who's already in his prime. They have the assets la would want to win now but la doesn't have the young talent to give back
2) Sixers want griffin to establish themselves but they have nothing to give la to make them win now
3) la wants to win now before Chris Paul retires and Blake being hurts one of the few years they have left.
This is one of the few times a three team deal makes sense
SIXERS TRADE: Noel lakers pick Miami pick and Covington.
SIXERS GET: Blake griffin
NUGGETS TRADE: faried, gallanari, and future unprotected first
NUGGETS get: Noel lakers pick Miami pick and Covington
LA TRADES: Blake griffin
LA GETS: faried, gallanari, and a future unprotected first.
Every team gets better. Nuggets shed salary but get a lot of assets in return to continue to build with. They drop a ton of salary as well.
Sixers get the star they can now build around.
La replace griffin with faried and get a sf which they desperately needed if they want to win now. They also get a future first rounder as well to help replace Paul when he does retire.
Win win win.
07 Feb 2016 14:48:33
Denver needs more than low drafts picks add another player then that trade would be perfect.
07 Feb 2016 15:05:07
Nuggets would pass. They would have jokic Jeffery leveragune nurkic and Noel at center creating a log jam. They have said they are going to build around Gallo and only trade faired for an upgrade.
07 Feb 2016 15:08:41
Like the idea, but clips not getting enough for Griffin. LA pick should go to clips, and leave the unprotected Denver pick out of the trade.
07 Feb 2016 15:59:36
I can see that happening. I just think the nuggets love Gallo and faried. They need a lot to get rid of them both. Noel is nice for faried but Gallo requires more of a return. That's where the lakers pick and Miami pick comes in.
07 Feb 2016 17:19:30
throw in arhtur and foye, maybe send barton to the sixers as well. I actually like that trade.
07 Feb 2016 17:28:05
I like the trade a lot. maybe send Arthur and foye to clips and barton to sixers with griffin. for the sixers it shouldn't hurt their chances of drafting top 2 this yr, every teams wins in my opinion.
07 Feb 2016 17:32:35
Hahaha send Barton also sixersjunkie? Yeah ok.
07 Feb 2016 17:58:09
Again, LAC and DEN can simply cut 76-ers out, and do deal them self. And yes, Nuggets wouldn't mind Griffin.
07 Feb 2016 20:45:30
Nuggets need young guys to build with. Not Blake griffin. Nuggets with Blake are years away from compete ting.
Clippers have Blake Jordan and Paul and can't win
You think Blake alone could win with mudiay and a bunch of junk? Nuggets need a rebuild.
06 Feb 2016 19:55:09
Kings get Whiteside, Deng, Birdman, McRoberts
- Whiteside/ Cousins would be an unreal bigman combo
Heat get Gay and Koufos
- Heat get a return for Whiteside who could leave in FA and lowers tax bill.
06 Feb 2016 20:55:01
Whiteside and Cousins could be great but there's not much spacing there and neither are very fast and that could cause matchup problems on defense.
06 Feb 2016 21:19:03
Especially with rondo at point, you have three of your starting 5 that can't really do much outside of the key in terms of scoring.
07 Feb 2016 01:37:09
Whiteside and WCS is the same kind of player.
07 Feb 2016 04:51:54
But WCS with nt bolt in FA and is on rookie deal for this year and the next 3 :)
06 Feb 2016 14:38:46
Miami Heat: Jeff Teague, Arron Afflalo, Carmelo Anthony, Lou Amudson
New York Knicks: Goran Dragic, Luol Deng, Justise Winslow, Josh McRoberts, Chris Andersen
Atlanta Hawks: Jose Calderon, Cleathony Early, 2st pick (Memphis Grizzlies)
06 Feb 2016 14:54:08
why in the world would the Hawks do that stupid thing?
06 Feb 2016 15:40:12
Yeah, can't see the Knicks or he Hawks having any interest in this whatsoever. Personally, rather have Teague than dragic. Especially with the contracts.
06 Feb 2016 17:21:12
I no one believes the trade machine. but this is absolutely hysterical. Entered it all in. and wait for it
Hawks: -1.ok, not awful but oh well
Knicks: -8, ok, starting to be funny but I mean, winslow has potential, and dragic makes 15mill and has a PER of 13, versus teague that makes 8 mill and a PER of 17. But wait for it.
Heat: +10.seriously. Don't agree with say +2 or -3, so be it, but PLUS 10 and MINUS 8?!?!? Come on, at least try.