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06 Dec 2017 11:11:07
Suns: M Turner+ C Joseph

Indy: T chandler+ 1rnd pick Miami+ 1rnd pick phoe+ 1rnd pick Miami 2021

Indy takes a bad contract and get future assets.

Phoenix get a young center with all star potential and a starting pg

C: Turner/Len/ Monroe
PF: Chriss/ bender
Sf: warren/ Jackson
SG: Booker/dudley
Pg: C Joseph/ Knight/Ulis

06 Dec 2017 15:04:11
Indy looks pretty good. Olidipo and Turner look like potential allstars in the future. If i'm a year or two, it doesn't look like it's coming together, I could see them blowing it up, but right now, they should see what happens.

06 Dec 2017 16:36:33
I know, but we also have Sabonis.
So i thouhgt to trade Turner now his stock is high.

Three (lottery) picks in next years draft (phoe, miami, indy) is a tempting offer.
And that 2021 Miami pick is unprotected, so that could be a high lottery pick.

06 Dec 2017 17:00:36
People don't understand just how good the top of this draft is. Turners good as well, but he's not a franchise player. No way Phoenix gives up a top 5 pick plus multiple other first for anyone besides a superstar.

06 Dec 2017 19:24:23
“People don’t understand how good the top of this draft is” is a statement that has been made about almost every draft in my lifetime.

06 Dec 2017 20:40:19
@skills right, i'd rather have ayton or bagley over turner, 50/ 50 on bamba
@bmill u right, almost every draft is hyped, but u have a lot of classes that don't yield many stars. its too soon to judge these recent classes that seemingly are full of future all-stars haha.

01 Dec 2017 11:49:43
Cavs get okafor
76ers get zizic Miami 2nd

Thomas rose Calderon
Smith wade shumpert
James korver osman
Love crowder green
Thompson okafor Frye

01 Dec 2017 12:58:53
Okafor doesn't fit the offense, is a below average rebounder and a god awful defender. He'd be worth a shot for a rebuilding team since he can score, but he does nothing to help the Cavs.

02 Dec 2017 00:56:07
Amazing how people feel that a player @ 21 years old will be the same player @ 25 and beyond Okafor could help many teams, playoff bound such as a Washington, Golden State, Boston Rebuilding like Phoenix, Lakers, Chicago .

Unless you seen Okafor play this season, which we really haven't, you can only guess or replay his Rookie Tapes 14ppg/ 8rpg Faces Embidd during practices / 76ers or Whoever's Player Development Team will provide assistance to develop his game . that's there job.

76ers will trade upcoming period, or use Ja for insurance during playoffs But eventually, Ja Okafor will be with a team as a starting Center . 18points/ 9board's type player . Boston been asking for him . but 76ers wanted a 1st Round Pick!

02 Dec 2017 05:47:10
The problem Philly5224 is that Okafor is the worst defender in the NBA, statistically. He might inprove, but he will never be better than a bad defender, and that’s if he improves a lot. There isn’t much room in the NBA for a center that can’t defend. He’s also a below average rebounder, and I don’t think he has the athleticism to improve that to a high level.

Overall, Okafor is a younger version of Kanter. An OK backup at best. Definitely not starting material.

02 Dec 2017 10:32:50
As BMiller says above, Okafor just has the wrong skill set for today's NBA. Teams want agile stretch-the-floor bigs who can rebound and defend (both at the rim and on the perimeter) . Everyone is trying to figure out how to defend pick-and-rolls, and that require switching with quick bigs. Okafor is unique in that all he does really well is score in a low-post type of offense that the league abandoned 7 or 8 years ago. Yes, he could probably be a 20/ 9 guy with enough minutes, but he'd give up more than that on the other end.

02 Dec 2017 13:58:30
Philly, not to echo them to much, but quickness and agility can't be taught and even with world class trainers and equipment, sans losing a significant amount of weight, it's not something that is going to get significantly better with training. You add in his seemingly nonchalant attitude and the fact that the 76ers are so down on him that he's not even in the rotation after they spent the 3rd overall pick on him and with Embiid being on a minutes restriction, it's very unlikely that he can help a contender right now and most likely ever.

02 Dec 2017 18:34:45
People talk about Okafor and “today’s NBA” a lot, but would Okafor fit in the NBA in the 80’s or 90’s? Find me a successful center in those decades that played absolutely no defense. It was even more important then to be a solid defender at center.

His style is more that time, but his talents at both ends of the court make him a bad starter at any point in history.

02 Dec 2017 18:50:27
Bmiller, I think you could hide him better in defense in that era and given his size and strength, he could probably become atleast a post defender you can keep on the field. Plus, his post offense would have been seen as very appealing. Where now, if you can do it, it's a nice secondary skill to have, but isn't seen as a primary focus for an offense.

03 Dec 2017 02:39:45
i do find it funny that there are still 1 or 2 sixers fans that think okafor is this insanely talented center. Mind you, he isn't even the back up. Or third big man. he's out of the rotation entirely.

Why? As everyone said, literally the worst defender in the league. He is the biggest offensive black hole in the league. ball goes down to him, never leaves. that's why he gets 15 pts a game, because he shoots whenever he touches it. He gets rebounds because he is too lazy to help d, so he just cherry picks at the basket. Okafor is a flat out bust. Thus the sixers didn't pick up his option.

30 Nov 2017 19:36:01
Cle: Dragic+ D Jordan

Miami: Osman+ Zizic+ Frye+ L Williams

Clippers: IT+ T Thompson

30 Nov 2017 20:53:09
Gleveland get a borderline all star, a great defender and they keep the Nets pick.

Miami get two young prospects and capspace

And the Clippers can give their players time to get healty, so they keep next years draft pick.
They can resign IT
And maybe they could do a S&T P George for Rivers Gallinari+ draft pick.

C: T Thompson
PF: B Griffin
SF: P George
SG: Beverly

27 Nov 2017 11:58:18
Phoenix Sun receive:
-Josh McRoberts
-Yogi Ferrell

Dallas Mavericks recieve:
-PG Brandon Knight
-1st round pick 2018 PHO top 5 protected
,if PHO picks top 5, DAL gets 1st round pick 2018 MIAMI ( top 7 protected), if MIAMI keeps the pick, DAL gets 1st round pick from MIL (11-16), if MIL keeps pick, DAL gets 2nd pick 2018 from PHO and 1st round pick 2019 PHO top 5 protected, if PHO keeps the pick, DAL gets 1st round pick from MIL according to trade between PHO/MIL 11/7/2017

25 Nov 2017 16:08:20
LA: IT+ Frye

Cleveland: H whiteside+ Dragic

Miami: Deng+ Shumpert+ T Thompson+ zizic+ Zubac+ 1rnd pick Nets+ 1rnd pick LA 2020+ 1rnd pick cleveland 2020

Lakers get capspace

cleveland go's all in

and Miami start a rebuilt. they keep the 2018 pick they sent to Phoenix if it falls in the top 7. So they could have two lottery picks in next draft.

25 Nov 2017 16:58:40
Not a fan of it for the Cavs. I think Dragic is a slight downgrade from a healthy IT and while Whiteside is an upgrade, I think D. Jordan could possibly had without losing the Nets pick, which would be huge and I'm a bigger fan of what Jordan brings (he's analytically a much better defender, which is what the Cavs really need) .

25 Nov 2017 17:27:16
Miami not interested they are looking to contend now Cavs already are all in.

25 Nov 2017 18:58:05
Something like that can never happen as long as Pat Riley runs the show in Miami. He doesn't do rebuilds.

26 Nov 2017 00:04:36
Riley should do a rebuilt before he becomes the new Phil Jackson :-)

IT is the better player, but Dragic is a solid defender and a better 3-point shooter.
Dragic is good in blocking passing lines, so Cleveland can use him against Golden state.

C: Whiteside
PF: K Love
SG: Korver
PG: Dragic
Sixth: Crowder.

23 Nov 2017 17:44:15
Phoe: smith+ Mcroberts+ Harris

Dallas: Bender+ T Chandler+ 1rnd pick Miami+ 2rnd pick OKC

23 Nov 2017 18:01:55
Mavs are not giving up Smith, period.

23 Nov 2017 23:29:32
Agree Triangle, especially for Bender, who has looked mediocre on a fairly bad team and a pick that will be late in the lottery at best. Smith looks like the future of the team. If anything, they should trade guys like Noel and Barnes for picks and slightly younger players to move forward building around Smith as the guy.

24 Nov 2017 08:27:44
I agree the trade favors Phoenix, but i thought two first rnd picks were to much.

I believe Dirk could be a great mentor for Bender.

Could two draft picks do it for Dallas?

Dallas: T Chandler+ Bender+ 1rnd pick Phoenix+1rnd pick Miami.

24 Nov 2017 17:09:30
Gasupo the sun's pick is most likely going to be top 5. And Bagley ayton porter along with the Euro dude and bamba are all better then smith so why would phoenix give up that and another first plus bender. Smith is good but these guys are considered generational talents.

24 Nov 2017 18:19:33
Skills, smith looks like a budding star. Gasupo is right in what it would take to get him. I don't think the Suns should pay the price but that's a different argument.

23 Nov 2017 13:16:26
Phoe: Schröder+ Bellinelli

Atl: T chandler+ B Knight+ 1rnd pick Miami+ 1rnd pick Phoe (top 3 protected)+ 1rnd pick bucks

Phoenix receives a good pointguard and capspace.

Atlanta can rebuilt (this trade will give them 6 1st rnd picks in nex years draft (alt/phoe/miami/hou/Minny/bucks)

23 Nov 2017 22:01:45
Suns hang up laughing uncontrollably.

23 Nov 2017 23:40:33
The suns can sign two free agents after this trade.

25 Nov 2017 03:14:45
Although Chandler and especially Knight have negative value still 3 picks are too much to give. Maybe exclude one of them or put greater protections to the ones proposed aldready (Phx top 7 and/ or Miami lottery protetected)

19 Nov 2017 10:48:59
Miami: Dudley+ T Chandler+ B Knight+ return miami pick 2018 and 2021

Phoe: H Whiteside+ Booker+ Mudiay

Denver: Dragic+ 1rnd pick Bucks

Nets: Farried+ 2rnd pick OKc (from Suns)

Miami has little future, playing for the eight spot. They take contracts for draft picks. They already have some young talents, so they can go for a total rebuilt.

Phoenix get a good defensive center, a young pointguard and capspace

Denver get a good pointguard that can lead that team and an extra draft pick

The Nets get an exciting player and an extra draft pick

20 Nov 2017 16:49:07
Don't think Miami is in the market for a rebuild after all the money they just spent on signings this offseason.

18 Nov 2017 01:43:43
Trade 1: Phoe-Clippers-Port-Wolves

Phoe: B Griffin+ McCollum+ L williams

Port: J Butler+ 2rnd pick OKC(from Phoenix)

Wolves: Monroe+ J Jackon

Clippers: B Knight+Dudley+Bender+1rnd pick Miami+ 1rnd pick suns+ 1rnd pick Bucks

Trade 2

LA: D Jordan+ 2rnd pick clippers
Clippers: Ingram+ clarckson+ Deng

Phoenix receive two all star calliber players and a great sixth man. McCollum and Griffin would be a great duo. Griffin could be the main ball handler and McCollum can be a great scorer. Griffin- McCollum-Bookers would be a big three. And they still have some assets to trade for a good center (Chriss+ 2021 Miami pick)

Portland receives a player that would be a better fit than McCollum.

The Wolves get an extra young player with potential and they can stay under the cap.

LA get capspace and they have a backup plan with signing Jordan if they fail to land other big free agents. They lose Ingram, but Kuzma is a good replacement and they trade Deng without losing draft picks

The Clippers can rebuilt with four draft picks, they aso propably keep their 2019 and 2020 pick (top 14 protected), so they only have to give Boston a 2022 second round . And they can develop Bender and Ingram. And Clarcson would be the main scorer in that team, so his stock would go up and they can trade him later for draft picks.

18 Nov 2017 05:39:50
i don't think the wolves would have any interest in this. their current roster can contend for much of the foreseeable future, but i don't think that happens w/ o butler around.

and the clippers have delusions that they are contenders, so blowing it up doesn't seem like their move. i would be shocked if they didn't resign dj (unless he forces his way out like cp did)

18 Nov 2017 08:55:57

A Wiggins get a big contract next year, so the Wolves go over the cap. They also have to pay KAT a Max contract in 2019. Can/ will they pay the luxury tax? I really like Butler, but trading him for J Jackson and a second rnd pick would be a smart move. They don't need to win now, they still have time.

The Clippers do think that. But they're 5-9 and going to play for the eight spot, so this would be a smart move for them.

17 Nov 2017 20:11:13
Lakers get - Joesph and a protected pick from Ind

Heat get - Randle

Pacers get - Winslow

Ball - Joesph
KCP - Clarkson
Ingram - Brewer
Kuzma - Nance
Lopez - Bogut

Dragic - Johnson
Waiters - Ellington
Johnson - Richardson
Randle - Olynk
Whiteside - Bam

Collison - Young
Oladipo - Stephenson
Winslow - Bogdanovic
Thad - Sabonis
Turner - Jefferson

18 Nov 2017 16:52:05
I like this for Indy.
But why would Miami do this.

15 Nov 2017 12:51:52
Phoe: R gobert+ L Ball+ Deng

Utah: Clarckson+ Ingram+ J Jackson+ T Chandler+ 1rnd pick Suns

LA: Monroe+ Favors+ 1rnd pick Miami+ 1rnd pick Bucks+ 1rnd pcik Miami 2021

15 Nov 2017 13:24:47
Big no from Lakers. While they clear Deng and Clarkson's deals, they give up their two best young assets for picks. Don't see Magic moving Lonzo for this.

15 Nov 2017 13:58:27
They could sign D Cousins+ P George+ LBJ.

15 Nov 2017 14:59:34
Maybe they sign them all, but so what? Then they would be stuck with a 2 or 3 yr window to win it all and then they have to start all over again and suck for the next 10 years.
No way Magic would he do this, or be allowed to do this.
They are on the right path. They can add LeBron and George. They would be far better off letting it play out.

15 Nov 2017 15:08:01
Gasupo, that's a huge risk and if they have to depleted their team of all affordable talent is it even worth it for Lebron or George to go since they're already on stacked teams.

15 Nov 2017 16:51:41
I wouldn't do that if I were the Lakers gm. But they already cleared Mozgov. So if they wanted to rebuild they could have kept russell. I can see them do it somehow if they can keep Ball and just give up Ingram alone. With Ball and the picks they have assets for the future.

15 Nov 2017 17:00:34
sure, la got to clear cap but if that means sell the farm, its a mistake. i think the model to follow is what the celtics have done/ doing. which is try to work an immediate and longterm plan. so pg and boog are both 27, wouldn't it be ideal, if they could, to have ball and ingram in their prime once pg and boog decline (and reach the end of their contracts)
and the lakers aren't even getting any lottery picks here as insurance
but holy hell could this deal work out great for utah if that suns pick is top 5 and ingram and jackson pan out.

14 Nov 2017 08:49:46
Phoe: D Lillard

Clippers:J Jackson+ Bender+ Monroe+ 1rnd pick Miami+ 1rnd pick Phoe+ 1rnd pick Miami 2021

Portl: B Griffin

D Lillard is a really good player, but i don't think the combo Lillard-McCollum works, so they should try to trade one of them. The problem is that there're many good pg's for the moment, so they don't get equal value for McCollum. They could get a great return for Lillard, because he's younger and better.

14 Nov 2017 13:52:50
IMO, PHX should keep those picks. Lillard is a fine player but his addition doesn't get the Suns to even into the playoff discussion. Also, it's way too much to give up for just one solid G.

14 Nov 2017 14:04:25
No way the Clippers trade Griffin away after they just resigned him to that huge FA contract to retain him.

14 Nov 2017 14:09:27
not sure exactly what, but i think port should be getting something else. lillard is significantly more valuable in a trade than blake. maybe beverly but that might be too much then, his defense at point would “contrast” mccollum and his offense well.
anyone that says phx is giving up too much is undervaluing dame. he is arguably top 10 in the league.

14 Nov 2017 14:18:00
That team only need a center to become a contender. Booker- Lillard would be a great backcourt.

They could sign a free agent if they can trade Chandler with the bucks pick.
Mahybe cousins.

C: Cousins
PF: Chriss
SF: Warren
SG: Booker
PG: Lillard.

14 Nov 2017 15:45:42
@donadamsky, agree Portland should get a little more.
The Clippers could miss Beverly in a rebuilt and Porland could trow in a second round pick.

This team could kick ass
C: Nurkic
PF: B Griffin
SF: Harkless
SG: Beverly
PG: McCollum
Sixth: Aminu/ Z Collins.

14 Nov 2017 15:50:54
Trading Lillard would be a huge mistake. You don’t trade the all star face of your franchise that is still locked in long term. It just never happens, for a reason.

14 Nov 2017 15:52:53
Suns only a center away from a contender? Best get in to get those eyes checked. The only places they don't have a hole are at SG and maybe SF and that one remains a maybe. Yeah, just a center, PF, Head Coach, PG, and a viable bench away from contending.

14 Nov 2017 17:59:24
can you trade picks for a coaching staff?

14 Nov 2017 18:19:06

So Portland should keep playing for a first round exit?

14 Nov 2017 18:36:13

Does McCollum, Griffin, and Nurkic make it farther than Lillard, McCollum and Nurkic? I don’t think so.

Trading Lillard for griffin is a lateral move. So why trade a fan favorite and your face of your franchise to not get any better?

14 Nov 2017 19:13:43
This trade would make them better.

McCollum is the ideal pg for B Griffin, who can lead the offense and who could be the main ball handler. And P Beverly would make them stronger in defense.

13 Nov 2017 17:31:17
Knicks/ Cavs

To NYK - Frye, 2020 2nd (via Miami)

To CLE - O'Quinn, Baker

Cavs add depth at two areas of need while clearing out a player not in their rotation currently.

Knicks slot Frye behind Zinger at the four, clearing up minutes for Willy and Jo. Channing is on an expiring deal, and NY picks up a pick.

13 Nov 2017 17:58:04
This will benefit both teams. nice trade.

13 Nov 2017 23:45:43
i like it, though the Cavs may need to throw Calderon's expiring into the deal. The Cavs save some money, add young depth that could be useful with an older, injury prone line up, and get a shot blocker.

It's not bad for the Knicks. They need minutes for their bigs and this helps them do it, while also giving them more cap flexibility in the future, adding a pick and bringing in a solid veteran presence.

11 Nov 2017 23:37:08
Cavs get Monroe
Suns get shumpert Frye Miami 2nd

Sign Ellis

Thomas rose Calderon
Smith wade Ellis
James korver osman
Love crowder green
Thompson Monroe zizic

12 Nov 2017 04:44:47
Why would the Suns do this? Monroe has an expiring deal that will give PHX lots more cap space. Shumpert has 3 years left at $10m per. So, PHX won't do a deal like this, if they have to take more than another expiring deal.

12 Nov 2017 11:57:22
Shumpert is a good fit in Phoenix, but no way they do this. They want to hit the free agent market.

Maybe the suns do this if Cleveland gives them a swap option on the Nets pick with the Miami and Suns pick. And the Cleveland 2021 pick if they don't use the swap option.

12 Nov 2017 11:58:55
Shumpert only has a player option left after this year.

06 Nov 2017 17:58:19
NY: H Barnes+ Bledsoe

Suns: Noel+ Ntilikina+C Lee

Dall: T Chandler+ Noah+ 1rnd pick NY 2018+ 1rnd pick Miami 2018+ 1rnd pîck NY 2020

07 Nov 2017 02:47:42
Among the things that would get in the way of a deal such as this ever happening. Suns owner and Mavs owner have a long standing dislike for one another. You'll note that there have been few, if any, deals between the Suns and Mavs over the past 7-8 years.

07 Nov 2017 13:58:39
No way knicks give up 2 first rnd picks in this deal.

06 Nov 2017 10:31:45
Hou: Okafor+Ellington

Philly: R Anderson+ 2rnd pick Hou

Miami: Bayless+ 1rnd pick Hou (lottery protected)

Hou receive capspace and CP3 could upgrade Okafor's value and maybe Nene could learn him some defense

Anderson can become a good sixth man in Philly and he could lead that young team.

Miami receive a backup PG and they get an extra pick ( i don't think they can hit the free agent market next year, so they can take Bayless's contract.

06 Nov 2017 14:47:49
Philly should get a first just for taking on Anderson's contract. I also don't like Okafor for Houston. He has 0 chance of being able to be even a rotation player with their play style.

05 Nov 2017 23:09:57
NY: Bledsoe+ Whiteside

Phoe: Ntilikina+ C Lee

Miami: T Chandler+ J Noah+ return 1rnd pick Miami 2018 and 2021+ 1rnd pick NY

NY, can dumps Noah's contract and they receive two borderline all stars.

Phoenix dumps T Chandler and receive a young pg to replace Bledsoe

Miami takes bad contracts for 3 1rnd picks, so thay can go for a total rebuilt. (Maybe they can also trade Dragic for Monroe and an bucks pick)

06 Nov 2017 03:33:35
whiteside is worth an unprotected 1st from ny? i get they are taking noah’s contract, but still, seems like an overvalue on whiteside. i know the knicks are the king of bad decisions, but giving up your 1st (could be top 5) for a player who will be past his prime by the time (if ever) your team gets good seems illogical.

06 Nov 2017 08:12:32
NY is 5-4 for the moment and Whiteside and Bledsoe would make them better.

06 Nov 2017 13:10:49
Dona, Noah's contract is hands down the worst in the league. Unless gms think it will be a guaranteed top 7 or 8 pick, I don't think it gets rid of Noah and in this case with what NY is getting back that pick probably falls out of the lottery. I don't like this for PHX. 2 firsts and Bledsoe for a guy who's proved nothing seems ridiculous.

02 Nov 2017 13:16:28
Nets: T Chandler+ shumpert+ Best pick between Miami pick and Nets pick

Cleveland: Bledsoe+ worst pick between miami and Nets pick

Phoe: Russell+ Booker+ Frye+ Acy.

The Nets give up Russell and take some bad contracts, but that Nets pick would be good, so they can start a rebuilt and hit the free agent market in 2020.

Cleveland get a borderline PG and they still keep a draft pick.

Ther suns clear capspace and they get back a younger PG with the same potential

02 Nov 2017 13:59:01
Not sure the Nets would do this. Russell has been great so faright and they got him on the cheap. The Nets have played ok. They might as well build the team around Russell and see where they go instead of ANOTHER rebuild.

02 Nov 2017 14:30:04
I know,
The Thing is, Russell is going to be a free agent in two years and the Nets won't have any other assets to improve the team.
I would trade him now his value is high for good draft picks, so they have time to rebuilt.
It's more easy to atract a good free agent when there are already two or three good players in a team.

02 Nov 2017 15:11:04
i don't think russell is going anywhere. he is only 21 (23 when he can be a fa, if he doesn't extend by then. ) bk has plenty of time to build around him, and they will have a ton of cap space that summer, even more if they can somehow unload mosgov. the nets might have a bright future.

02 Nov 2017 10:48:39
Cavs get okafor Covington
76ers osman zizic cavs 2nd Miami 2nd

Thomas rose Calderon
Smith wade shumpert
James Korver Covington
Love crowder green
Thompson okafor Frye

02 Nov 2017 13:17:36
Sixers decline immediately. Covington is a solid player and a shut-down defender. Sixers have waaaaay to many 2nd rd picks already. They have a young euro center they drafted and stashed this year ( no need for zizic) . So essentially osmam for covington does not interest philly at all. Sixers rather buyout okafor then ake this deal.

02 Nov 2017 08:41:52
Indy: Fultz+ T Chandler

Phoe: C Joseph+ Okafor+ L Stephenson

Philly: Bledsoe+G Robinson III+ 1rnd pick Indy+ 1rnd pick Miami

02 Nov 2017 09:23:29
So Corey Joseph, Glenn Robinson and a first means the number 1 pick who has an injury?

02 Nov 2017 10:22:23
Phoenix gets a guy that can play pointguard and they dump chandler's contract, so they can hit the free agent market.

Philly wants to stop tanking, they lose a great prospect, but they receive a good pointguard, that can lead them. And both the Pacers and Miami pick have a good chance to become lottery pics, so they still can draft young prospects or trade the picks for missing pieces.
Philly will have three picks in next years draft, so they have the assets to trade for Porter or Donkic.

Indy takes a bad contract and loses propably a lottery pick, but they receive a player wit star potential. Indy wins the most, but they could lose the most, if Fultz becomes a bust or he can't stay healty this year, they could miss a good lottery pick.

And yeah, i'm a pacers fan and i propose this trade without shame :-)

02 Nov 2017 11:01:11
Makes no sense for philly. They have a pg in Simmons and Fultz fits perfectly as sencond ball handler who can play off ball.

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