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22 Aug 2016 20:02:07
Suns Get: DeMarcus Cousins, Kosta Koufos, Omri Casspi

Kings Get: Brandon Knight, Alex Len, Dragan Bender, 2017 Suns 1st, 2018 Heat 1st, 2019 Suns 1st


Bledsoe/ Barbosa/ Ulis
Booker/ Goodwin/ Jenkins
Warren/ Casspi/ Tucker
Chriss/ Dudley/ Williams
Cousins/ Chandler/ Koufos

Knight/ Collison/ Temple
McLemore/ Richardson/ Patterson
Gay/ Afflalo/ Barnes
Bender/ Skal/ Tolliver
Cauley-Stein/ Len/ Papagiannis.

22 Aug 2016 20:53:21
I like the trade except for the Suns giving up too many draft picks. Also, I think the Kings would want Bledsoe instead of knight.

22 Aug 2016 21:07:14
It is a little draft pick heavy but Suns definitely have the assets to get Cousins and I think he'd be a great fit if they could keep Bledsoe and Booker along with him. My only concern with this deal is that the kings have plenty of bigs already and should be trying to move them for other positions and not adding more bigs but from a value perspective it's good.

23 Aug 2016 02:30:23
The value is right, but i agree with jaw comment about the bigs. leave Caspi with Sac or sub Len with Warren. not sure- but you get the picture.

23 Aug 2016 03:01:51
Tht PHX starting lineup lookin nice.

22 Aug 2016 18:34:40
Miami is lottery bound and should tank.

Heat/ Rockets

Heat - Capela, Brewer, Beverly, 2017 1st.

Rockets - Dragic, Whiteside.

Miami might give up a lot, but they get 40mil in cap space to chase Curry/ Griffin/ Hayward among other big FAs. Capela/ Winslow/ Richardson is scary on D and a top 5 pick is a solid core moving foward.

Rockets obviously do this. Whiteside/ Anderson/ Ariza/ Harden/ Dragic is a top 5 team in the west.


2017 draft:
Markelle Fultz 3rd
Grayson Allen 22nd

FA:
Buyout Bosh.
Hayward 4 year max
Ibaka 3 year 70mil
Gibson 2 year 18mil
Olynyk 3 years 22mil
Evans 1 year 8mil





Roster:
Fultz/ Johnson
Winslow/ Richardson
Hayward/ Evans
Ibaka/ Gibson
Capela/ Olynyk.

22 Aug 2016 21:10:21
That's awful value for the heat. How do they plan on attracting any talent if they have none themselves? I'd do that offer for just Dragic but adding in whiteside too is outrageous. They aren't getting Curry and Whiteside is almost as good as anybody they could realistically get so it makes a lot more sense to keep him and hope he can help attract someone else.

21 Aug 2016 11:58:23
Bulls-Phoe-sixers

Bulls:
receive: Warren+ Noel+ 1rnd pick Miami 18+ 1rnd pick phoenix 17
trade: Butler+Grant

Phoe:
receive: Butler+ Grant
trade: Warren+ Bledsoe+1rnd pick+ 1rnd pick Miami

sixers:
receive: bledsoe
trade: Noel

Phoe:
C: T Chandler/ Len
PF: Chriss/ Bender
SF: Butler/ Dudley+ Tucker
SG: Booker/ Barbosa
PG: B Knight/ Grant.

21 Aug 2016 15:09:09
Philly and Phoenix say yes, bulls say no.

21 Aug 2016 15:19:49
I Think the Bulls could do this with or without Butler, they're playing for a first round exit. Making money, selling tickets and jerseys from hometown boy D Wade.
The two draft picks give them a future after D Wade.

21 Aug 2016 15:52:08
Philly and Phoenix say yes.

Bulls not getting enough. Sixers would have to include Okafor over Noel.

15 Aug 2016 05:36:01
Minor Deal in December

Wayne Ellington for Devin Harris

Heat get a backup point, Mavs get a shooter since Harris won't be playing much.

08 Aug 2016 18:37:31
heat : gay, collison
kings : dragic, babbitt, mcroberts.

08 Aug 2016 21:09:17
Kings would probably need a draft pick.

09 Aug 2016 00:05:03
If I were the Heat I'd highly consider this deal. Gay gives them much needed scoring after losing Wade (and who knows what's up with Bosh) and Collison isn't a huge downgrade from Dragic. Worst case they free up cap space.

Don't like the deal for the Kings since I think they should be focused on rebuilding and not trick themselves into thinking they can be decent in short term.

06 Aug 2016 14:11:24
Phoe
trade: Len+ Bledsoe+ Warren+ 1rnd pick Miami 18+ 1rnd pick Phoe 17 (top 3 protected)
receive: J Butler

Philly:
trade: Noel
receive: Bledsoe

Bulls:
receive: Warren+ Len+ Noel+ 1rnd pick Phoe+ 1rnd pick Miami 18
trade: J Butler


Phoe:
C: T Chandler/ Bender
PF: Chriss/ Bender
SF: J Butler
SG: Booker
PG: Knight

Bulls
C: Lopez/ Len/ Portis
PF: Noel/ Mirotic/ Portis
SF: Warren/ Snell
SG: D Wade/ Valentine
Pg: Rondo/ Grant.

06 Aug 2016 15:35:44
So, essentially, you tear the Suns apart. and they get Butler? Not a chance. You also show Bender as a center. He'll never play the 5 in the NBA. maybe only situationally at the 4. Suns hang up on this one.

06 Aug 2016 16:25:19
The suns give up some assets, but they receive a star
I think Butler is the perfect fit for Booker.

06 Aug 2016 16:46:57
Similar to my Sixers, I'm not sure there is really anything to "tear apart" with the suns, but agree that is too much just for Butler,

07 Aug 2016 05:23:59
Simmons the suns eill be conteders in 5 years no doubt.

07 Aug 2016 16:14:22
The Suns are trying to go the build with youth route. odds are it won't work the way they hope it will but. if that's what they are doing, then, they do not want or need one near-superstar (like Butler) . or guys no one really wants (Rudy Gay, Monroe) . or a guy who has "his" team and still can't win anything (Cousins) . Now, if they could swing a deal for an Okafor or Noel. sure. but it appears, for better or worse, they're going to go with what they have.

08 Aug 2016 14:22:04
I'm the current NBA you need atleast one superstar to be a contender. When that changes I'll pay mee attention to the suns.

31 Jul 2016 13:52:34
Heat-Suns-Rockets trade by USA revised

Heat get Bledsoe, Ariza, and a 1st rd pick from Rockets

Suns get Winslow and Beverley

Rockets get Dragic, PJ Tucker, and a 2nd rd pick from Suns.

31 Jul 2016 15:37:46
I like it for all teams involved. I think Heat are the clear winners of the deal getting younger and arguably better at pg, a solid affordable role player in Ariza who can slide into Deng role, and a 1st round pick from a Rockets team who I think won't be all that good and may miss playoffs again.

PHX loses their best player in Bledsoe but add a younger player who fills a position of need in Winslow. In moving Tucker they open up minutes for he and Warren to develop and also gain a saavy veteran at pg. I hope Beverley doesn't significantly cut into Ulis' minutes and that they run Knight at sg with reserves to free up more time at pg.

Rockets I don't think are going to do much this year but in Dragic they get a guy who thrived in Houston early in his career and fits D'Antoni's system.

31 Jul 2016 16:39:41
Only if Bosh is cleared playing.
Otherwise they want to keep Winslow.

31 Jul 2016 18:26:16
the rockects didn't miss the playoffs and this would be a bad trade for all three teams that's my opinion.

30 Jul 2016 15:42:33
Suns - Winslow

They land Winslow who is the perfect wing next to Booker, They lose Bledsoe but the future is brighter.

Heat - Bledsoe, return pick, 2 2nd rounders.

Bledsoes contract is an absolute steal, and if Riley could dump Dragic and Bosh ge would have enough cap for 2 max contracts Westbrook, Curry, Griffin, Durant, Hayward, Paul, Millsap, and Lowry on the market plus all the restricted free agents this would allow him to build a quick deep contender.

30 Jul 2016 17:55:47
Wow you really don't value Bledsoe at all.

30 Jul 2016 18:43:15
I don't think the picks are necessary. People forget how good Bledsoe was before his injury. Dude is relatively young, a top 10 pg in the league, a very good defender and on a cheap contract. The only concern is the meniscus injuries are piling up but he didn't seem affected by previous two procedures.

I think a swap could work for both (younger winslow would help but PHX probably prefers Bledsoe over Knight) but Dragic would need to be moved first.

26 Jul 2016 20:15:06
Wolves-Miami

Wolves get Josh Richardson

Heat get Shabazz Muhammad

Wolves get a shooter they need off the bench and the Heat get a guy who could potentially play some PF with Winslow depending on how the Bosh situation plays out.

Not entirely sure on the value of Richardson and I know some people don't think much of Shabazz, but he has shown potential as a scorer and is only 23.

27 Jul 2016 02:28:43
Wolves need to give more. Richardson plays both offense and defense and is a shooter which the Wolves need. Shabazz wasn't very good last year.

27 Jul 2016 05:04:33
I couldn't imagine it would be much more, Richardson isn't amazing on defense, better than Shabazz but that's not saying much.

Shabazz was the better scorer, rebounder, and FT shooter.

Plus I see Shabazz as filling a need for Miami, providing more versatility than Richardson in what roles he can fill. And with Shabazz you know the minimum of what you are getting, Richardson's one year might be a fluke.

27 Jul 2016 05:36:36
Shabazz will also be a free agent next year, the heat would rather have the shooting and the pg/ SG over SF/ PF versatility because at PF they have bosh, mcroberts, Haslem, and Derrick Williams and Luke Babit could play there too. Not to mention they don't have a backup point where Richardson fits. Richardson isn't amazing at defense but very solid.

27 Jul 2016 05:52:23
^but Shabazz they would at least be able to match contracts, Richardson they won't be able to when he is a free agent in a couple of years,

And the only quality PF they have there is Bosh (maybe) and possibly McRoberts, Shabazz would be an upgrade over Williams and amd most likely Babbitt

Plus Tyler Johnson can play point, especially with the Heat signing both Waiters and Ellington.

27 Jul 2016 13:55:56
When did Muhammad become a PF? . he's a 2/ 3.

27 Jul 2016 15:08:24
You're the one who said he could potentially play the 4. I would rather have Derrick Williams over him. It's likely Shabazz will ask for money the Heat aren't willing to match. If Johnson is backup point, it's simple, Richardson is now the 2nd string SG. Ellington is the 5th guard. Heck it wouldn't surprise me if Richardson starts over Waiters in some games.

27 Jul 2016 16:15:25
@SimmonsOrBust, Shabazz is strong enough to play some small ball PF if needed, not sure I would ever call him a 2

And he is definitly better than Derrick Williams.

28 Jul 2016 05:40:49
LOL @ Wolvesfan

Miami would never give up a young more talented Wing WITH DEFENSE for an offense ONLY player.

PLUS, Derrick Williams is a PF/ SF. and i smuch better then Shabazz.

24 Jul 2016 07:51:29
Heat trade Dragic

Rockets trade Brewer Dekker and Bev

Rockets sign Norris Cole

Dragic - Cole
Harden - Gordon
Ariza - McDaniels
Anderson - Harrell
Capela - Nene

Bev - Weber
Richardson - Johnson
Brewer - Dekker - Johnson
Winslow - Williams - Babbitt (Bosh)
Whiteside - Stat.

24 Jul 2016 12:08:57
Maybe the Heat should let Dragic run the team for a year, but this is a good trade if they're going into rebuilt mode.
Maybe Houston should also give a pick.

24 Jul 2016 12:32:33
Seeing so many winslow at pf. He can't play that position full time he can play at some point though.

23 Jul 2016 14:28:53
Boston Gets: Jahlil Okafor

*Boston gets their young star and still has a ton of assets


76ers Get: Goran Dragic, RJ Hunter, Boston 2017 1st rd pick, Detroit 2019 second round pick

*Sixers get real guard play (apologies to jared bayless) under control for the next 4 years


Miami: Amir Johnson, Marcus Smart

*Miami gets a closer/ scorer in Marcus Smart, adds some Bosh insurance with Johnson, who is also another one year deal. The type of contract that Riley has been targeting to perhaps make a splash in next years FA class with a core of:
Smart, Johnson, Winslow, Richardson, Whiteside and potentially Chris Bosh.

23 Jul 2016 15:33:33
Joke right? C's give up Smart, Johnson, Hunter and the 17 Nets Pick ( They have just this Pick, because the Celtics Pick goes to BKN) for Okafor? Danny Ainge can't stop to laugh whenhe reads this.

23 Jul 2016 15:38:06
How does Philly get all of that for Okafor, and that's far too much for the C's to give up.

23 Jul 2016 16:22:22
I didn't realize that the pick would be Brooklyn's as well. I will take my ball and go home now.

22 Jul 2016 09:13:04
Heat if the decide to rebuild

I know 3 different trades is hard to do but here are 3 trades to do a complete rebuild

1. Trade Whiteside to Celtics

Get - Brown, Johnson, Zizic, Bkl 17 1st, Lac 2018 1st

2. Trade Dragic to Bev McDaniels and Harrell

3. Trade Bosh and Richardson to Okc for Oladipo Ilyasova Payne and 18 protected 1st

Draft Harry Giles and Dwyane Bacon

Payne - Bev
Oladipo - Johnson - McDaniels
Brown - Bacon
Winslow - Ilyasova - Harrell
Giles - Zizic.

22 Jul 2016 11:34:55
IMO it's to much for Whiteside
Boston would offer Brown and zigic or the 1rnd pick (swap with Brooklyn)

I believe Rily doesn't let Bosh play this season so he must retire. And he can hit the fee agent market.

22 Jul 2016 13:12:11
No one is trading for Bosh right now.

22 Jul 2016 14:26:39
Gasupo. the President of the organization can't decide to not "let bosh play this season so he must retire. "

If bosh has clearence from credible doctors, the heat can't force him to retire. All they can do is bench him. He can sit back and collect his massive pay checks before retiring and losing that money.

21 Jul 2016 16:13:04
SAC: Rudy Gay
2017 2nd Round Pick

MIA: Josh Richardson
2018 1st Round Pick (Top 14 Protected)

21 Jul 2016 17:27:56
I would think with the way the Kings are just trying to get rid of Gay that the Heat wouldn't need to include the first. With that said, the Heat wouldn't be able to take on Gay's contract I don't believe.

21 Jul 2016 17:41:16
Miami says no. Richardson is on super cheap contract and probably has more value than Gay because of his youth.

21 Jul 2016 18:03:23
Maybe something like
Heat get Rudy Gay and Skal Labissiere
Kings get Josh Richardson and Josh McRoberts.

21 Jul 2016 21:47:02
Heat would say no to Richardson for Gay so this is not even close.

24 Jul 2016 04:22:51
Wrong Kings say no

24 Jul 2016 04:22:51
Wrong Kings say no

19 Jul 2016 07:30:39
Heat trades for rebuild

Trade Dragic and McRoberts

Get 2018 1st MCW and Henson

Trade Bosh (only if healthy) and Richardson

Get - Lavine Shabazz Peck and 2017 1st

MCW - Weber
Lavine - Johnson
Shabazz - James Johnson
Winslow - Williams
Whiteside - Henson.

19 Jul 2016 13:25:53
That's what Minnesota needs, an expensive big when they are already overflowing with bigs.

Even if Bosh was healthy, Minnesota passes on this deal.

18 Jul 2016 19:11:19
Should MIA start a mini rebuild with questions about Bosh's health and Wade leaving?

I see them as a fringe playoff team if Bosh can't play.

Here are some options for them to get some players and picks to retool.

#1:
MIA: Holiday and '18 1st

NOP: Dragic

#2:
MIA: Grant and '18 1st (top 3 protected) (roughly $14M TPE)

PHI: Dragic

#3:
MIA: Collison, Koufos, '18 1st (top 3 protected)

SAC: Dragic.

18 Jul 2016 19:21:28
#1 is the best trade for Miami meaning it's a bad trade for Pelicans. That pick needs to be protected.

18 Jul 2016 21:07:00
In 2 years I'm assuming the Pelicans can get back to the #8 seed again in the west at least. Especially with the shake-up to OKC. I proposed that trade assuming Holiday still has some health concerns and the pick would be out of the lottery (#15-#20). Holiday's contract is expiring so it gives the Heat some flexibility; if he proves the injuries are behind him, they can resign him. If injuries still plague Holiday, they can let him walk and get his contract off their books next summer.

16 Jul 2016 11:32:13
Sac: B Knight+ Bender+ 1rnd pick Phoenic 17+ 1rnd pick Miami 2018+ 1r pick Charlotte+ Lamb

Phoenix: D Cousins

Charlotte: A Len+ 2rnd pick sac


Sacramento can rebuilt, they will have three first round pics in the next draft, that's going to be deep. And the 2018 Miami pick could be good if Riley failt to sign good free agents. And Knight still is a good young point guard.

16 Jul 2016 11:57:36
Just no. Phoenix are giving up all their assets for cousins and that won't make them a contender so why.

16 Jul 2016 12:42:13
Comme on

C: Cousins
Pf : Chriss
Sf:Warren
Sg: Booker
Pg:Bledsoe

this team could go to the Wesern finals.

16 Jul 2016 13:32:53
No it wouldn't. It's a bunch of youngings and no leadership. What. You think cousins will lead a team to the western finals? He can't lead a team to a 500 record. But now he's a Champion level leader?

16 Jul 2016 13:37:18
Phx is a great young team with a lot of assets. I don't think they are giving up too much in this deal as they are keeping their top assets but still netting a young superstar in Cousins. So long as they put at least a top 5 restriction on their own draft pick I love the deal for Suns. My only concern is Cousins contract is up soon so he could leave as soon as this team starts to mature and the guys they are giving up are all on long-term deals (Len is restricted) and the veteran leadership to keep Cousins in-check. I'd still likely roll the dice on him if I'm Phx since he is most talented center in the league.

If I'm Kings I'm very satisfied with this return for Cousins a player who has been consistently been unhappy, a drain on franchise and if not traded will most certainly not resign. They get a solid young pg locked up next few years in Knight, 3 1sts, Bender who has stretch 4 potential which could help alongside WCS and Lamb who hasn't been able to put it together yet but is still young and has potential and may be able to flourish in a bigger role in a rebuilding Sacramento.

Charlotte are getting a steal through dumping Lamb's contract and picking up a young promising big man in Len who put up some nice numbers in stretches last year but since Kings are loaded at center it makes sense to bring in a 3rd team to offload Len.

14 Jul 2016 13:37:44
MIA/ PHI

MIA get Jerryd Bayless and LAL 1st round pick

PHI get Goran Dragic

I think Dragic fits well with Simmons as he can shoot the ball and could not demand the ball a lot? While MIA get a pick of they decide to rebuild.

14 Jul 2016 13:53:35
Except Dragic does demand the ball, that was the source of the Dragic-Wade tension.

14 Jul 2016 14:55:20
Would rather take my chances with the lakers pick than with dragic as Sixers fan.

14 Jul 2016 19:31:00
I feel like dragic is SO overhyped. He is slightly above average. Legit, can name like 10 pgs i'd prefer over him. 14pts, 5 assist and a a terrible 3 is hardly impressive.

Which of the following would you prefer the 30 year old, declining dragic over? Because you seem to be giving him a lot of value in these trade scenerios.

Rondo, Westbrook, Wall, Paul, Rubio, Lillard, Curry, Lowry, Jackson, Isaiah Thomas, Teague, Walker. hell, i'd prefer Payton, Mudiay, schroder and even Dunn over him.

Thats 15 to 16 pgs i'd put ahead of him. That hardly seems to equate to a solid player in bayless and a likely high lottery pick.

14 Jul 2016 21:29:37
Miami might be willing to part ways with Dragic to free up salary next year to sign a FA. This deal can wait until trade deadline.

14 Jul 2016 11:40:40
P Riley didn't give Wade a big contract.
Could he manage a quick rebuilt?

1)Trade Dragic before the trade deadline.

Miami: 1rnd pick Bucks+ 1rnd pick Charlotte
Bucks: Dragic
Charlotte: Monroe


2)Trade for Butler
Miami: Butler
Chi: 1rnd pick Miami+ 1rnd pick Charlotte+ 1rnd pick Bucks

3) Sign Westbrook And B Griffin in free agency

Miami's big five
C: Whiteside
PF: B Griffin
SF: Winslow
SG: J Butler
PG: Westbrook.

14 Jul 2016 11:55:55
This is ridiculous-
1 Milwaukee are giving up way too much for dragic
2 How can Miami fit Westbrook Butler Whiteside and Griffin under the salary cap? And how will they convince them considering there are no links between Westbrook and Miami and griffin and Miami
3 Let me guess you jumped on the bandwagon when Lebron came and now your stuck hoping another miraculous signing will occur. Stop being a heat fanboy.

14 Jul 2016 12:10:18
You think you get butler for 3 mid to late firsts? And then still have the cap room to max out griffin and Westbrook? No sir. All around.

14 Jul 2016 13:16:50
Bucks don't give up too much to get Dragic, but that deal's the only thing in this post I see as reasonable, though I'm not sure how the Hornets take on that much salary without sending anything out.

14 Jul 2016 14:00:04
They don't let Bosh play this season, so they can release him. so when Dragic is off the books and the cap is going up, they can sign two big free agents. That's the reason they let Wade go.

Next years draft is going to be deep. Miami and charlotte aren't going to make it to the playoffs, so that will be good picks. D Wade-Rondo and Butler isn't going to work, so the Bulls are going to trade him sooner or later. The Bulls would like that offer, if those pick fall in the lotery

Who is going to make a trade offer for Westbrook? the only team that can make an offer and still be a contender is Boston (i really hope they can) . So i think he's gone in free agency. And players love the weather (taxes) in Miami

BTW i'm a Pacers fan.

14 Jul 2016 18:07:27
Lets say Miami releases bosh and trades dragic like stated plus get an expiring contract to make trade happen. Miami would suck next year. So they trade 3 picks, Richardson, and Johnson for Butler would be more reasonable plus clear all cap and have butler, Winslow, Whiteside, they could give Westbrook and Blake 30 each. Plus have 7 to 9 mil left. So if Blake and Westbrook take 28.5 starting off they have 10 to 12 left to sign a quality 6th man.
Coming from a laker fan and I like the cavs too.

14 Jul 2016 19:39:00
Blake 30 million
Westbrook 30 million
Butler 19 million
Whiteside 23 million

That alone is 102 million. Winslows 2.7 million brings them to just under 105 million. That assumes you get rid of dragic for nothing AND somehow make up new rules in which a team can decide to bench a player or have their team doctors fraudulently claim he isn't medically cleared in order to then void a guarenteed contract?

Aint happening. Learn the NBA rules and the legal system.

15 Jul 2016 20:20:23
Bucks get robbed

13 Jul 2016 22:21:21
Miami-Bucks-Charlotte

Charlotte: Monroe
Bucks: Dragic
Miami: Lamb+ S Hawes+ 1rnd pic Milwaukee+1rnd pick Charlotte

Miami
C: Whiteside
PF:D Williams
SF: winslow
SG: J richardson/ Lamb
PG:Weber

Bosh sits out the season and get released
2017-2018
Sign: B Griffin and Westbrook
Trade 1rnd pick Miami+ 1rnd pick Charlotte+1 rnd pick Bucks for J Butler

C: Whiteside
PF: Griffin
SF: Winslow
SG: J Butler
PG: Westbrook.

12 Jul 2016 20:22:57
Miami- phoe- sac

Sac: G Dragic
Phoe: R Gay
Miami: T chandler+ return 1rnd pick 2018+ Labissiere.

13 Jul 2016 03:09:10
Can't imagine the Heat of all teams throwing in the towel like this even if Bosh retires. Doesn't make sense from a talent or value perspective for them; if they wanted to actually deal Dragic I think they could get more and would target help for weak backcourt.

Heat already have some good young talent in Winslow and Richardson, I don't seem them moving Dragic unless they are getting another good slightly younger player in return who can grow with them and Whiteside to form next iteration of the Heat and attract a big name next summer.

13 Jul 2016 04:46:45
Big no from Miami.

 
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