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22 Feb 2018 18:06:17
I didn't think the Kawhi stuff would really go anywhere, but it's starting to get weird. He's cleared and he's not playing. What kind of offers do you think the they could get for him?

Imo here's some of the best I can think of

Cleveland sends Love, Brooklyn 1st and Osman

Boston sends Hayward, Brown/Tatum and possibly their own 1st

The Bucks send Middleton, Brogdon, and a 1st

Denver sends Harris, Chandler, a 1st and 2nd

Portland sends McCollum, Collins and a 1st

LA sends Ingram, Hart, Deng, and 2 future 1sts

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22 Feb 2018 20:09:31
He got a 2nd opinion, and is choosing so far to sit. He isn't healing as fast as expected, and has discomfort, and I'm guessing doesn't want to come back early, and re-aggravate. Trade is possible this summer, but highly unlikely. There are deals to be made. Spurs have few bad contracts, many teams have too many, and could really contend with 1 or 2 player additions and/ or subtractions with Kawhi in the fold. Spurs fans rest easy.

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23 Feb 2018 03:12:27
Jorga, I know my statement was misleading, but I didn't mean that I thought he was leaving. I meant that I really didn't put much stock in the Kawhi Spurs discord stuff, but it is starting to seem legit. If I were to put money on it, I would say he's on the Spurs roster come next playoffs, but immits becoming evident that there should be doubts on the subject.

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23 Feb 2018 06:26:27
I was just commenting on how good of a situation SA is. It's not as unsure as Davis, and NOP. Maxed out near hard cap, SA has room, and Parker expiring, Murray developing. Aldridge value higher than ever. They'll be tough with Gasol, and Aldridge, Gay, Murray come post-season. Better with Kawhi, and even tougher with another addition or 2 next season. Scary tough. I'd wanna stay if winning a title was important to me.

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23 Feb 2018 11:02:07
It's a fun rumor and we can make some trades, but i think he's going to stay SA.

But i would like him in Green, if he leaves.

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23 Feb 2018 21:26:25
I think trading Hayward with either Brown or Tatum and a 1st is way too much. Brown and Tatum and a 1st like the Grizzlies I think would be a good deal. I know that doesn't fit salary wise but that would be a scary green team if they could get it done.


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23 Feb 2018 23:03:50
Larry, maybe, I have to low of an opinion of Hayward, but I think that's a worse deal for the Celtics. Brown and Tatum have more upside than Hayward and they are on significantly better contracts. Plus, they are significantly better defenders and don't need a ton of touches to be successful. This would keep them from paying luxury tax for an extra year, which is huge with the repeater tax. It will let them keep the core together longer and the team will have a longer window since Hayward will be on the decline as Brown or Tatum will be hitting their prime.

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22 Feb 2018 12:13:34
Hornets get Hardaway Lillard Thomas
Blazers get Mudiay Ntilikina Kanter 11th
Knicks get Walker Batum Leonard


New coach


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22 Feb 2018 18:11:41
Outside of Porzingis, there's no one on the Knicks roster that would get them Walker.

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22 Feb 2018 20:11:27
Blazers get expiring stuff, and a lottery. Would have to be a little more. Swap in Turner instead of Leonard would help.

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22 Feb 2018 09:47:06
Something different from me.

Can the cavs give James a four year max extension totaling to five years signed. Then after season stretch him so he gets paid the same amount but it hits the cap over a 11 year period giving the cavs money to resign Hood to whatever.

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22 Feb 2018 10:24:21
Why would they do that? Stretching someone means you are releasing them. Then the money is distributed over multiple years rather than a 1 time cap hit. If Lebron opts out, he's off the books and the Cavs owe him no money.

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22 Feb 2018 21:09:09
Okay I wasn't sure if when you get stretched do you get released or not. I thought you could keep the player and stretch him.

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23 Feb 2018 16:23:22
That's what Lakes should do with Deng extend him 3 years totaling 5 and then stretch release. Cap hit 3.2 for 11 years.

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21 Feb 2018 15:53:08
Mark Cuban. The hands on, involved owner. Turns out he was fostering a hands on ownership style alright. Just wasn't him, so far, and was either not around, or blind. I'm guessing he's had some good marketing, and media people over the years building his image. How would you not know if your an involved owner? Which is it? This guy should be a politician.

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21 Feb 2018 05:45:55
Just something to think about but could work. But there's point is if Lakers can trade those 3 players for a star player under the old cap they can sign 3 stars also.

Trade ball, Ingram and Deng plus two first round picks for Leonard. Now Lakers have about 78 MIL in cap. James George and Paul 26 each plus mle on Noel. Especially if warriors win again those players would take 26 each to compete with them. Or the Lakers can do the same package someone else. Ball Ingram and the picks and talking Deng 42 MIl should get you a star

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21 Feb 2018 06:48:54
It could be done. It's pushing the boundaries of imagination, but I never see the actual trades that occur coming. Pieces, but there's always something unpredictable involved. Ball, and his worn out welcome is the X factor here. Not sure if that's the case, or what "agreements" LAL has cooked up. They surely didn't trade away Clarkson, and Nance for expiring deals by accident.

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21 Feb 2018 08:28:18
That's the best LA can do. Trade Deng in a package for a star.
K Leonard, D Lillard, Butler, .

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21 Feb 2018 13:33:45
It would be worth considering, but the question is, how do teams see Ball right now and who's actually available? I can't see the Timberwolves trading Butler. He's in a great situation long term and he seems to really like Thibs. Portland doesn't seem like they're on the verge of blowing it up and trading Leonard doesn't really seem like a move the Spurs would make. Also, if Lillard or Leonard were available, the Lakers wouldn't be the only team bidding for them.

I think the other thing they would need to consider is what if they strike out on Lebron and George. I'm not sure they're the favorite to land George right now and they might be in 3rd place in the Lebron race.

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21 Feb 2018 21:46:23
Butler going to want a Max after the next season and then Kat the following don't think Minny will keep team and pay the money. For 3 Max plus pay teague, a bench Gibson, dieng, minny can't do. So with ball, Ingram, Wiggins and Kat would be special to build around.

Leonard may or may not commit so spurs would accept the package and broom Ingram into a beast. Instead losing him for nothing like ock did on Durant. Be smart like Indy.

I wanna see golden state pay 4 Max contracts so Thompson can be odd man to get traded. So three team trade can be done where Lakers land Thompson and give up 2 first ball Ingram and Deng.

None of this is highly to happen but certain situations can trigger. Like Lakers being aggressive, players talking on the low and having agent demand trade. Or the teams feel we don't wanna risk losing for nothing so let's get value. Just able to happen but highly unlikely.

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21 Feb 2018 05:06:36
Will Noah be bought out, or waived? My bet is a buy-out. I think he wants to play, and will take less.

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21 Feb 2018 06:18:26
He'll be good with Warriors or Wolves.

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21 Feb 2018 13:36:54
Unless the Knicks are willing to stretch him, I can't see him going anywhere this year. They can't waive him. He has 72 millionish on the books still and he would have to leave 50ish million on the table for them to buy him out.

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21 Feb 2018 15:19:41
I was thinking more of a summer thing as would apply to every deal proposed this time of year. Yes he is owed 41-43 mil from here on out, but it's 36 in July. ATL, and CHI had some big contract buyouts this season.

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21 Feb 2018 15:57:30
Ok got you. I thought you meant before the buyout deadline. I wouldn't say that a buy out this summer is impossible, but Noah would have to be willing to leave so much money on the table and there is no way he can make that money back on any subsequent deal.

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22 Feb 2018 00:58:45
It's okay, he never should've gotten that money in the first place.

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22 Feb 2018 20:15:46
20-25 mil is a good deal for both sides. Depends on Noah. 25 is my guess because of the friction. Noah has some history with adversarial on-goings. He's not going to back down much.

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19 Feb 2018 16:06:05
My predicted final NBA standings and playoff projections


1. Raptors vs 8. Heat = Raptors in 4
4. Pacers vs 5. Bucks = Bucks in 7
3. Celtics vs 6. Wizards = Celtics in 6
2. Cavs vs 7. 76ers = Cavs in 5

1. Raptors vs 5. Bucks = Raptors in 6
2. Cavs vs 3. Celtics = Cavs in 7

1. Raptors vs 2. Cavs = Cavs in 6


1. Rockets vs 8. Blazers = Rockets in 5
4. Spurs vs 5. Nuggets = Spurs in 7
3. Thunder vs 6. Twolves = Thunder in 6
2. Warriors vs 7. Jazz = Warriors in 4

1. Rockets vs 4. Spurs = Rockets in 5
2. Warriors vs 3. Thunder = Warriors in 6

1. Rockets vs 2. Warriors = Rockets in 7

Rockets over Cavs in 6.

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19 Feb 2018 16:38:27
I like it.

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19 Feb 2018 16:42:25
I don't see the Cavs as being able to make up enough ground to be the 2 seed, but I'm not sure it matters with the Celtics lack of scoring punch and Derozan and Lowry's struggles in the playoffs.

I also can't see anyone taking more than 2 games from the Warriors. They've been fairly disinterested all year and still are going to cruise to 60 wins. I think come playoff time, they turn it on and they're impossible to guard. Maybe teams like the Cavs or Houston will have a chance every game with all of their shooting, but they would need to extremely hot from 3 the entire series to even have an outside shot at taking 4 games. Houston probably has the 2nd most offensive weapons in the league, but you also have to remember that both Paul and Harden have struggled at times in the playoffs. I think Paul can play well, but deep in the playoffs, when physical basketball is allowed and Harden isn't getting his typical weak foul calls, can he really be the elite player he is in the regular season?

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18 Feb 2018 23:43:00
So what are your opinions on Luka Doncic? From what I've read, it seems like the analytic guys are in love with him, the scouts really like him but maybe don't see him as the consensus number 1, and a lot of American NBA fans are calling for him to be a bust.

Outside of clips, I haven't seen him play, but apparently he isn't an elite NBA athlete and he's only an average shooter. I think it's safe to say that he'll be atleast a solid NBA player. He's the best player in the 2nd best league in the world. It's hard to imagine him being bad. I just don't see how he can be an elite nba player unless he's an elite shooter or athlete. I can't think of a top 15 or 20 player who isn't atleast one of those things at their position. Even big men at this point seem to need to be atleast one or the other.

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19 Feb 2018 02:14:26
Depends on who picks #1. If a team needs his position he'll go #1. Porter jr. Is about to come back, and he'll get some tournament time, but Bagley looks like A. Davis. Bamba has good numbers, but I value Bagley the most so far. Shoots, dribbles, passes.

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19 Feb 2018 13:42:45
Unless Porter Jr can come back, put up huge stats and lead his team deep into the tournament, I can't see him going 1st. Back injuries tend to be chronic and to have had one that requires surgery seems like a huge deal. It's good he got back this year, but given the high number of elite or almost elite prospects, I can't see Porter being with the risk in the top 3.

I think the biggest knock on Bagley is that he's a bit of a tweener and isn't much of a defender at this point. I don't think being a tweener is nearly as big of a deal in today's NBA given the small ball lineups, but he needs to get stronger and if he can't get stronger is he a good enough athlete to play sf? Maybe, he can since he's a great athlete with a ton of length and he probably fills out given how young he is, but I think it's a legitimate concern.

I think Doncic is probably the clear number 1 right now and it's more about where his floor is rather than his ceiling. In a perfect world where prospects reach their full potentials, I think you take a guy like Bagley, Porter, Ayton or Bamba, but has there ever been a safer pick than Doncic? What's worse case scenario for him? Probably a starting caliber wing barring injury.

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20 Feb 2018 16:39:24
Well he's 18 and he plays against professionals in the best European league. So he should be able to make it in the NBA. He could become the best player in this draft, but no team can take the risk drafting him in a top three spot, drafting a second Hezonja.

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20 Feb 2018 17:32:51
Gasupo, it seems unfair to compare him to Hezonja, who was older and far less productive in the Euroleagues, when he got drafted. I just can't see him being a flat out bust. I know he's not playing a ton of guys that would be considered athletic in the NBA, but I highly doubt the league he's in isn't at the minimum comparable athletically to high level college basketball and the guys he's playing are stronger, more skilled, and craftier than the players college prospects are going against.

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21 Feb 2018 00:59:42
Don't get me wrong Rkenne. I really like Doncic. But the Cavs should trade down when the get the 1st pick and draft Doncic with a lower pick.
They can't take a second Bennet scenario.

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21 Feb 2018 04:32:21
If the Cavs get the 1st overall, I think it should go different ways depending on Lebron. If he's walking, I think they should take Doncic. He seems like the safest pick in the draft and can be the foundation to a solid rebuild. I think guys at the top of the draft like Bagley, Bamba, Ayton, and Porter have bigger bust potential than Doncic. If Lebron comes back, I think they should trade down to the 3 to 5 spot and take Jackson or Bamba. They need an upgrade at center that is athletic and can block shots. I would prefer Jackson since he can come in and be an above average shooter at center day one. Then they have more options with whatever assets they end up with in a trade.

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23 Feb 2018 00:54:17
Doncic is good. Maybe the best of all these guys. Slight shooting struggles against professionals who earn a living playing ball isn't too bad. He will roll right into NBA zone defensive schemes, and is competent enough to launch the 3. I believe in drafting the best player, but with good scouting discipline you can get position, and the right player with diligence. OKC has an amazing drafting resume no matter where they draft. SA is consistently good at it too.

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18 Feb 2018 22:35:48
A great coach is priceless, obviously Hornacek isn't one of those. Shoving a 7ft tall veteran of 10+ years is telling of what kind of guy he is. Great media coverage leading up till now blaming the whole thing on Noah, and his bad contract, and attitude. This is why the NBA is a joke at the executive level. Gossip now, truth later, has become the calling card for this league. Knicks better fix this. Players aren't going to like this if Noah is mistreated, and Hornacek is unchecked. Zinger already has shown he'll stand up to tom-foolery.

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17 Feb 2018 17:20:24
Let's assume that Lebron signs a long term contract with the Cavs and the Brooklyn pick falls top 5. Do you try to package the pick for a star?

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17 Feb 2018 18:10:33
Yeah like whiteside.

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17 Feb 2018 21:36:17
If it's No.1 then Doncic is chosen, and the worry of signing Hood goes away.

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17 Feb 2018 21:58:45
Brook pick and Smith plus Thompson for whiteside.

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17 Feb 2018 22:01:54
Then can resign hood with no problem and waive hill.

With Clarkson korver Nance jr and green as main bench players.

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18 Feb 2018 02:47:58
Sure you can waive Hill, but then you pay 7 mil for 3 seasons for nothing?

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18 Feb 2018 14:50:39
Lebron won't sign a long term contract. It'll be a 2yr with player option on the 2nd year.

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18 Feb 2018 20:01:55
Hill last year only 1 MIL guaranteed and that's after this year . So they can easily waive him and not owe anything but 1 MIL.

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18 Feb 2018 20:21:37
True 99, he draws a salary for '18-'19 of 19 mil. '19-'20 is the 1 mil guarantee year. He signed his contract last summer. I'm not making this up.

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21 Feb 2018 01:30:15
I'm not sure it would be worth it since they would end up pretty thin on players that can create for other guys, but they could possibly stretch Hill. He would have 20 million left on his deal spread over 5 years. So they would 15 million in salary and then something like 45 million in luxury tax. NBA, I could see him signing long term. At some point the leverage and extra money he's seeing from those 1+1 contracts won't be worth the risk. Maybe, it still is this summer, but next summer he'll be on the verge of turning 35. At that point do you offer a 5 year max and how much longer is he worth a max contract?

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