13 Aug 2016 11:53:58
76ers trade Noel
76ers get Rubio, Aljinca

Bucks trade Monroe, 1st round pick
Bucks get Noel, Pekovic

Wolves trade Rubio, Pekovic
Wolves get T. Evans, 1st round pick Bucks

Pelicans trade T. Evans, Aljinca
Pelicans get Monroe

76ers:
Rubio-Convington-Simmons-Saric-Embiid, bench: Okafor, Bayless, Henderson, Landry, Rodriguez, Stauskas, Aljinca
- get needed PG with Rubio who takes huge ball-handling/ playmaking pressure off Simmons
- let all 3 rookies Simmons, Saric and Embiid start to develop a chemistry from day 1
- if Embiid can't stay healthy, Okafor will take his spot, otherwise they should trade him for a starting SG and backup C

Bucks:
Giannis-Middleton-Parker-Teletovic-Noel, bench: MCW, Henson, Dellavedova, Plumlee, Vaughn
- balanced roster (vets-talents), very talented, huge length, defensive force
- playoff team for years to come

Wolves:
Dunn-LaVine-Wiggins-Dieng-KAT, bench: T. Evans, Muhammad, Rush, Jones, Bjelica, Garnett, Hill, Aldrich
- with a trade of Rubio and Pekovic, KAT-Wiggins-LaVine-Dunn will complete overtake the Wolves
- very talented starting 5 + experienced and deep bench
- within 1-2 years contender for years to come

Pelicans:
Holiday-Buddy-Hill-Davis-Monroe, bench: T. Jones, Moore, Galloway, Asik, Gee, Cunningham
- new faces in New Orleans, much more balanced and more athletic
- need to stay healthy to reach the playoffs.

1.) 13 Aug 2016
13 Aug 2016 13:40:23
I don't think Rubio and the lack of ahooting fits well with Simmons. Could be wrong though. Value-wise the whole thing isn't bad. Wolves may not want Evans though.

2.) 13 Aug 2016
13 Aug 2016 15:27:35
Rubio is not a talented player. I'm sorry if pass on him every time.

3.) 13 Aug 2016
13 Aug 2016 19:08:14
I agree with Tre. I think in a few years he'll be even more irrelevant.

4.) 13 Aug 2016
13 Aug 2016 21:02:06
Are you kidding about Rubio? He is a better than average PG who if he could develop even a decent jumpshot ( remember how bad Kidd shot his first few years in the L), could move into the top 10 of PG's in the NBA. I take Rubio over Noel.

5.) 13 Aug 2016
13 Aug 2016 22:44:28
If the sixers wanted to trade rubio for Noel, they would do it straight up, getting another big makes no sense for us, besides that I agree with Simmons or bust, all the sixers want is shooting which Rubio lacks, his skill set over laps with Simmons and they both can't be passing the ball at the same time.

6.) 13 Aug 2016
13 Aug 2016 23:04:54
Triangle

I'm not kidding one Rubio. And to prove it. If minny who has seen him more then anyone else loves him so much. Why drafts. Replacement for the 25 year old Rubio.

He is not a talent. If anything he is a back up. You have to score at the pg spot in the NBA. He can play 35 minutes a game and not break double digits.

You can keep Rubio.

7.) 13 Aug 2016
13 Aug 2016 23:19:28
Agree with triangle, just because I'd rather see Dunn doesn't mean I think rubios terrible. There's a lot to like especially on the right team. San Antonio, New York, Houston, and Indiana, come straight to mind. All could use the many intangibles and abilities Ricky brings and have established scorers on the wings to pair with him. He's still a top 12-15 point guard, and a lot of teams could use the upgrade.
No we don't want Evans. I am totally down for a rubio for noel deal.

8.) 14 Aug 2016
14 Aug 2016 02:09:33
The Wolves took the best player they could with their pick, that doesn't mean they don't have confidence in Rubio.

9.) 14 Aug 2016
14 Aug 2016 15:29:13
Wolves fab. Dunn is already five time Bette then Rubio.

Rubio is not part of the wolves core. It's Dunn Wiggins and towns. If anyone is starting in front of those three guys they are purely in the way. Rubio is a great passer. He does nothing else that's even average in the NBA. I'd pass on the overhyped Rubio. I don't even want him. Sixers have enough passers. They need scorers.

10.) 14 Aug 2016
14 Aug 2016 15:56:40
Rubio is above average in everything but scoring, stats and analysts agree.

Dunn hasn't even played an NBA minute yet so there is no way you can say that.

I'm not saying Rubio is a good fit for the Sixers, purely because his skill set isn't what they need right now. That doesn't make him a bad player.

11.) 15 Aug 2016
15 Aug 2016 00:07:58
I find it mind blowing you even come close to comparing jason kidd to rubio. Kidd was never an elite shooter. He just played so long that he stacked up numbers.

Kidd was one of the best defending pgs in league history.

4 1st team all defense, 5 2nd team. And multiple all nba, 1st team.

Kidd wasnt just a stat stuffer, he was a great team player. He made a ton of all star games, and helped bring teams to the playoffs, the championship and win one.

Rubio has done nothing. No all defensive teams. No all stars. Nothing. You can say that's a high standard, but it isnt. 12 guards made it this year. 14 last year.

In 5 years, rubio has never been in the top 12 guards. Not once.

He is NO where comparable to jason kidd, or any of these top pgs.

Here, to give you an understanding.5 years in the league, rubio has had 2 healthy seasons. His win shares those years? 5. You remember Jeremy Lin, when he signed with the rockets. guess his win share that year? 5.

His stats are absolutely not an indicator of an above average pg. He can't shoot. Like at ALL. I mean, he is the worst shooter in the league, literally.

He over commits on defense, so he gets steals but his added wins on defense is average. For his career, his teams are much better defensively when he is off the court, as to on.

Im sorry for the long post, but i'm tired of wolves fans claiming rubio has amazing value. Or he's a top tier guard in the league. His isnt. He is a decent starter. An average starter. But he is in no way shape or form a game changer. He has been in the league 5 years. He has shown zero improvement. He is what he is. A passing only pg who teams do not need to cover ever. He will play terrible team defense but get a lot of steals. Finally, here are a lot of pgs that are better. again, average would be 12-18 in the league. You really don't see at least 11 of these names better than Rubio and his inability to make an all star team, an all defensive team, heck. he has yet to even make the playoffs.

Curry, Lillard, Westbrook, Thomas, Lowry, Walker, Wall, Paul, Jackson, Teague, Bradley, Dragic.

Hell, I'd take Tony Parker, Jrue Holiday, Derrick Rose, Rondo, Schroder, George Hill.

Of ONLY pgs. Rubio was the 32 top scorer last year. That means every starter was ahead of him. and then a backup as well.

Rubio = good back up, average-at-best starter.

12.) 15 Aug 2016
15 Aug 2016 01:23:15
Hamburger,

I think your math is a little off, only 4 guards made the all defensive teams this year:

Chris Paul
Avery Bradley
Jimmy Butler
Tony Allen

The only difference from the prior team was John Wall instead of Bradley

Rubio was also reported as receiving the 3rd most votes among point guards

As to his teams being better defensively when he is off the court is blatantly false.

Rubio has had 2 injuries in his career, one being and ACL tear that cost him parts of 2 seasons simply because it happened in the 2nd half of a season. (In his rookie and 2nd year, very obviously setting back is development)

And he defintely has shown improvement, he doesn't really gamble to get his steals anymore. And no one is saying he is the next Jason Kidd, that is just the most famous example of a player developing a shot later in his career.

To go with your Jeremy Lin example, Lin's win share that year (his best by far) = 5.4, Rubio's when healthy= 5.9

And I don't think I have ever seen or argued that he is a top 10 PG, simply that he is in the 12-15 range. No one is arguing he is better than Curry or Westbrook. Just that he isn't worthless. And (if he stays healthy and develops a shot) that he could easily even better.

13.) 15 Aug 2016
15 Aug 2016 01:39:36
And if you want an example of Rubio being a good defender, see the Golden State game

He was the one defending Curry most of the night.

14.) 15 Aug 2016
15 Aug 2016 13:32:17
I did not compare Rubio to Kidd, I suggested like Kidd, he still has a chance to work on his shot to at least become serviceable.

15.) 15 Aug 2016
15 Aug 2016 13:58:56
Wolves fan. math was based on all stars, not all defensive. both of which he has never made. So. accurate.

As far as being better defensively, and so blatantly false. This is a wild concept. check his defensive on/ off court stats for his career. Blatantly accurate. I know i know. stats don't prove anything. well, advanced stats like that dont. rubio is up there in steals, so he must be amazing!

He has the exact same steal attack ratios.

Jason kidd never really developed a shot. For about 15 years he was right around the same percentages, both in FG and 3pt. if you are trying to talk about the only 2 years Kidd was over 40% from 3.fairly certain the wolves aren't waiting a decade for Rubio to get beyond the worst shooter in the league.

Lins win share that year. his best.5.4.Rubios best.5.9

Oh wait, there is a stat that will help with all that. Win shares, per 48, for his career. Wait for it.

Rubio.0.094.and Lin? 0.094.Again, to understand what this means, league average is 1.0. Both, for their careers, are slightly below average.

For their career, they have been as effective. This accounts for lack of playing time, and injuries, and yada yada yada

12-15 is an average pg. Do the simple math. This thread wasn't about if he has any value. It wasnt about if he can at least become serviceable.

It was about wolves fans saying he is an above average guard. besides his shooting, he brings just everything to the table.

Yet he has never been considered a top defending guard. Never a top all around guard. Never a winner. And all his statistics just show a player that has an incredibly limited game because of his inability to shoot, play team defense, or overall lead an effective team.

Pass all around on rubio. He will lead you no where.

Oh and its hysterical that you write he is reported as receiving the third most votes among guards.

You do realize NBA. com posts the votes, right?

Bradley - 149
Paul - 148
Allen - 121
Butler - 62
Thompson - 49
Lowry - 43
Green - 39
Westbrook - 35
Rubio - 30

So out of guards. in his best defending year which is his speciality, because you can't come close to making an argument on him being a top offensive pg. his best is 9th in defense.

He is an average pg in the league. Middle of the pack. And without a shot, will not develop further. Rubio has been in the league for 5 years. He played a bunch of years pro prior to the NBA. He has shown nothing towards improving his game. Besides as wolves fan claims, he tries to steal it less.

awesome.

16.) 15 Aug 2016
15 Aug 2016 15:16:57
Poor ricky rubio.

17.) 15 Aug 2016
15 Aug 2016 15:57:02
Players on winning teams have more wins that they can have a share of, plain and simple.

There are limitations on all box score stats – if the box score doesn't measure a particular contribution, a box-score-based metric can only approximate that contribution.

What does this mean? Box Plus/ Minus is good at measuring offense and solid overall, but the defensive numbers in particular should not be considered definitive. Look at the defensive values as a guide, but don't hesitate to discount them when a player is well known as a good or bad defender.

But these values also don't account for missed playing time, which you are so quick to point out with Rubio, that is the Value Above Replacement Player

Rubio-2.3
Lin-0.5
Jeff Teague-1.3
Chris Paul-6.0
Kemba Walker-4.4
Reggie Jackson-2.3

Just to give a few examples.

18.) 15 Aug 2016
15 Aug 2016 16:01:56
And sorry I suffered from an inaccurate reporter, but receiving the 9th most votes of all the guards in the league and the 4th most among point guards still seems pretty good to me.

19.) 15 Aug 2016
15 Aug 2016 16:25:17
And I have to ask, do you think Tony Allen, Chris Paul, and Westbrook were good defenders last year?

Because all have worse or the same defensive on/ off court stats last year as Rubio

In fact, Allen has a worse one for his career.