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07 Jan 2020 16:29:41
Blazers trade Whiteside, Little, and their 2020 first (top 5 protected), and two second round picks.

Wolves trade Covington, Dieng, and Napier.

Bmiller66

1.) 07 Jan 2020 18:21:48
Wow seems fair.


2.) 07 Jan 2020 18:49:32
Covington, Dieng, and Napier have been the Wolves best 3 players over the last 2 weeks. Why would they trade them for that?


3.) 07 Jan 2020 19:22:30
Because two of them are still just nice bench players at best. Two weeks doesn't change a career. If those 3 are your 3 best players, good luck in the lottery.

That's effectively two firsts and two seconds for a really good role player on a good contract, and two nice bench players. If Minny decides to punt on the season, it feels like a good return. If you really want to keep Napier, keep him, he doesn't make or break the deal to me.

I think Dieng fits in Portland better than quite a few other teams. He's overpaid, but how much Nurkic is underpaid really balances it out. He can't play behind guys with contracts like Towns, AD, or Adams.


4.) 07 Jan 2020 20:07:53
Minnesota has won 4 out of 6 (including one loss to the Buck by 2) without their 2 best players. They are 1 game out of the 8th spot in the West.

They aren't punting. They are looking to make the playoffs.


5.) 07 Jan 2020 20:42:58
Carl006 you can't go off of a few games against a weak schedule. Wolves have had this team for years and they havnt done anything. If they're really playing well it's more reason to trade them while their stocks higher.


6.) 07 Jan 2020 20:58:33
They're also 7 games under .500 and 1 game ahead of 13th in the west. As a Blazer fan, I have already punted on the season. This trade was an idea to make them better next year (pickup two guys that are under contract next year) .

Portland is older than Minny with more recent success (3 seed the last two years), they need to look towards next year. I think Minny needs to build for a longer future, because I don't see them having a future past the 8 seed without a big change.


7.) 07 Jan 2020 21:18:04
I’m probably biased, but Dieng has always been this good when he starts. The two years he started next to KAT (before Taj), he was #34 and #42 in overall RPM for the entire NBA. This year, he’s improved his three point shooting.

I think overall it’s a good idea for some MIN-POR deal, but MIN would have to face RoCo four times a year for three seasons. He also is one of the few players currently on the Wolves roster that can run Rosas system, so losing him hurts their development this year. Maybe include Simons instead of the picks - with Napier coming back, he’s of less need anyway.

I love it for POR. Covington is exactly what they need to upgrade their wings, and provide some resistance to the great opposing wings they will face in the playoffs. Dieng has been playing terrific, and he fills a need, even after Nurkic gets back. And Napier already has experience with Stott’s system, so he should be ready to contribute right away.

I might recommend making this a three-teamer, sending Whiteside elsewhere - maybe Atlanta. He’s a good player, but the Wolves will only giving him back up minutes when Towns gets back, and I worry that he will be a problem in the locker room as he tried to play for his next contract.

Good offering, BMiller!


8.) 07 Jan 2020 21:19:17
Little hasn't been impressive and Whiteside is useless to Minnesota. Same with cap space.

The Wolves won't trade a talent like Covnington for so little.


9.) 07 Jan 2020 22:17:07
I actually think Little's ceiling is Covington. I've liked him a lot, he's just too young and not ready. His defense for his age has impressed me. I think his value is still that of a late first.

My assumption was Whiteside is waived. Yeah, a third team could be included too, either way. He's not any value in the trade as I was typing it out.

If Simons were included, I'd pull Little and the first. I think his ceiling is McCollum (maybe higher) . Not saying he's guaranteed to be that good, but he's shown flashes of greatness. I could be convinced to make him available though.


10.) 07 Jan 2020 23:39:39
I have wanted Dieng on the Kings ever since he left Louisville. Always thought he would have been a good pairing with DMC.


11.) 08 Jan 2020 02:31:06
Not going to get Covington for Simon and two late 2nds.

RoCo was named 1st team All Defense in 2018. I know we were talking about Little’s ceiling, but does he really have 1st team All Defense ceiling? How many players have 1st Team ceiling?


12.) 08 Jan 2020 11:58:29
He’s a top 5 recruit athlete and has really solid fundamentals and instincts on defense. In my opinion, yes, he has that ceiling. But obviously few people reach their ceilings.


13.) 10 Jan 2020 21:53:43
This seems plausible. If I were Portland I would try to leave out Little/ Napier portion. Minn may not want Whiteside, so you may need a 3rd team like ATL for Whiteside. Have them send Crabbe or ETurner and Len to Minnesota, plus something like 2nd rounder. Minn gets another pick and cap relieve. ATL can see if Whiteside fits alongside their young core to see if they want to try to sign him for longer. ATL needs to show TYoung they are trying to improve. So, trying to see if Whiteside works for a 2nd rounder is likley worth it.


 

 

06 Jan 2020 16:28:09
Orlando trades Aaron Gordon, Evan Fournier, and MCW

Portland trades Whiteside, Anfernee Simons, Nassir Little, and their 2020 first (top 5 protected) .

This might hinge on Fournier opting into his player option before the trade. Hard to give up that much if he can walk after this season.

Bmiller66

1.) 06 Jan 2020 21:27:28
Not sure how this trade helps Orlando in the playoffs.


2.) 06 Jan 2020 21:30:37
Is this not enough from Portland? I have a hard time with the value of those two. Gordon has slipped since last year it seems. And Fournier has always been a "nice stats but is he more than a 4th option" kind of guy.


3.) 07 Jan 2020 00:04:44
This is a ridiculously high return for ORL.

Gordon eFG% is .453! And he’s paid $20 mil this year.

Fournier is playing okay, but for his role, he is no star, so he maybe (maybe) is neutral value at $17 mil.


4.) 10 Jan 2020 22:26:08
Strange deal in a way. Portland gives up a lot of future with two young promising players and 1st rounder, but Fournier and Gordon are good, solid players on contracts that are close to about market value. Gordon's actually goes down to about $16.5M in its final year. ORL would have 3 centers on their roster, so short term it wouldn't help them, but maybe they flip Whiteside for more draft capital. Does ORL want to blow it up and startover? How good is Simons going to be? Would a change in scenery help Gordon reach more of his potential? Tough questions.


 

 

29 Dec 2019 18:17:49
Minnesota trades Towns, Covington, Napier, and Vonleh

Portland trades Whiteside, Collins, Simons, Little, and 2020, 2022, 2024, and 2026 firsts. And include swap option for 21, 23, and 25.

Bmiller66

1.) 29 Dec 2019 18:45:55
Then trade Nurkic and Bazemore for Love and you’d have the best shooting lineup of alltime.


2.) 29 Dec 2019 19:40:47
They need the defense that Nurkic brings though. Without him, it’s one of the worst defensive lineups possible.


3.) 29 Dec 2019 20:35:19
The trade is weak enough deal for wolves. Nurkic for defense is icing on the cake.


4.) 29 Dec 2019 20:48:20
So you’d move Kat to PF?


5.) 29 Dec 2019 21:31:33
I think Nurkic and Towns would be enough of a positive mismatch to mask any shortcomings of playing them together.


 

 

19 Dec 2019 23:05:02
Saw this on Bleacher Report:

Straight swap of CJ McCollum and Jrue Holiday

Thoughts? I absolutely hate it. If we're playing 2k? Maybe. But I don't understand swapping similar players when the one you have has been with the franchise for years, is locked in long term, and is happy.

Bmiller66

1.) 20 Dec 2019 01:30:00
I don’t hate it. I think Holiday fits better with Dame.


2.) 20 Dec 2019 01:52:35
Holiday plays way better defense. Blazers been out of second round once with the duo.


3.) 20 Dec 2019 03:42:43
NOLA happy wih Jrue. What motivates then to do this deal?


4.) 20 Dec 2019 15:21:55
Shiller: Does a Lillard/ Holiday duo beat GS? If not, why make a change just to make a change. Portland needs another star, not to swap a fringe star for a fringe star.

Fredman: I don't know, I didn't come up with the idea. He is a year younger and is locked in for 3 extra years.

Rkenne: But, like, does he? He's a MUCH worse 3 point shooter. The reason Lillard and McCollum have worked so well together is that they're both deadly shooters from deep. They're both great off the ball from each other. Better defense, but it's not like Holiday is guarding Lebron/ Kawhi/ George. He's still an undersized guard.


 

 

10 Dec 2019 17:13:44
Word is that Love's preferred destination is Portland. And Cleveland is now open to moving him. So what does it take?

Whiteside and Love have contracts that could be swapped, so only two players would be needed if they wanted to go a Whiteside and picks for Love. Does that do it?

Bmiller66

1.) 10 Dec 2019 17:53:41
i would like to see Nurkic and zach for love instead of that.


2.) 10 Dec 2019 18:35:50
I wouldn’t trade Nurkic for Love unless a pick is headed to Portland. I -might- be talked into a Whiteside and Collins for Love deal, but I like Collins a lot. I don’t like Love as much.


3.) 10 Dec 2019 18:41:07
Collins and Bazemore.


4.) 10 Dec 2019 18:52:25
Opens up some 3team deals?
For example, TOR could want Bazemore, and CLE would need a PF that can also play the 5 and Ibaka helps with that.


5.) 10 Dec 2019 18:57:21
RAPS: Collins, Bazemore, blazers 1st
CLE: Ibaka, Blazers 1st
POR:Love.


6.) 10 Dec 2019 19:02:44
I just saw that Whiteside and Bazemore for Love and Thompson is out there. No picks, no youth.


7.) 10 Dec 2019 19:03:18
Collins and two firsts?!? For just Love? No way. That’s a ridiculous overpay.


8.) 10 Dec 2019 19:13:21
Thompson osman and love for whiteside Bazemore Collins and little and top 14 protected pick if not two seconds.


9.) 10 Dec 2019 19:24:25
Cavs - Whiteside Ibaka Collins And Johnson
Raptors - Bazemore and Henson
Blazers - Love and Thompson

- Cavs get 2 exp contracts and 2 young players in Collins and Johnson
- Raptors add wing scorer and still gets a backup big
- Blazers add 2 bigs that work well together and will help out tremendously.


10.) 10 Dec 2019 20:08:13
Fine remove the 1st from TOR.


11.) 10 Dec 2019 21:09:43
Why not just do Whiteside and a first and cut Toronto out? It's not like Ibaka has some great value (especially to a rebuilding team) .

And if Portland was willing to include Collins, I think Cleveland would cut Toronto out and just take him for themselves.


 

 

 

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24 Feb 2020 19:51:24
But you're still comparing the two. McCollum is a top 30 player in the league. Kuzma is. borderline top 100? ESPN had him at 71 last year, and he will drop next time they do their rankings.

If you add Kuzma to Portland, they're likely no better than they are right now. They'd still be the 9 seed. Take him off the Lakers and they're probably still the 1 seed.

If you remove McCollum from Portland, they're probably third last in the west. Add McCollum to LA and they have the best record in the NBA .

Again, I don't think that the swap is horrible. But that's because I don't think much of Lavine and don't think he's worth a high end asset. I wouldn't give up a lottery pick for him. I wouldn't give up Zach Collins for him if the Bulls offered Portland that swap (ignoring contracts) . I sure as heck wouldn't consider a McCollum for Lavine swap without a lottery pick going to Portland (even then, I probably wouldn't) .

Here's your lack of logic: You're saying it's either you're a #1 or 2 option, or a role player/ 6th man. That's flawed. It's closer to Tier 1 (superstar), Tier 2 (star), Tier 3 (role player), Tier 4 (spot minute/ reserve), Tier 5 (end of the bench) . McCollum is a mid level or above tier 2 guy. Kuzma is a mid level tier 3 guy with the potential to be a high end tier 3 player. Lavine is probably a high end tier 3 guy masquerading as a tier 2 guy.

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24 Feb 2020 17:46:31
That said, to win a championship, McCollum has to be the third best player on a team. But I think a team can absolutely win with him being the #3. Add AD to Portland (and make Portland healthy) and they're up there for the best team in the NBA.

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24 Feb 2020 14:12:34
I actually don’t hate the Lavine/ Kuzma swap, because I think Lavine is very similar. He’s a hollow stats guy that doesn’t do much for winning.

McCollum was the second best player on the second best team in the west last year. He was the second best player on the 3 seed in back to back years. Comparing Kuzma to McCollum is pure stupidity.

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24 Feb 2020 03:33:14
Without Davis, Kuzma is averaging 20 ppg and the Lakers are the 6 seed. Points are nice, but context is helpful.

Kuzma is a 6th man on a championship team. That’s not conjecture, that’s real life.

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21 Feb 2020 20:05:51
I can't see him getting that little. He wouldn't get less than Brown just got (which means that they likely can't afford to keep their top 4 players long term) .

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