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15 Oct 2021 04:31:53
If Kyrie is still unvaccinated in December...

Heat get Kyrie Irving

Nets get Kyle Lowry and Victor Oladipo

Kyrie and Jimmy Butler have a great relationship, so the Heat could probably make this deal without the fear of Kyrie retiring. The Nets get a quality PG to replace Kyrie and a great 6th man in Oladipo.


1.) 15 Oct 2021 16:17:26
I like for both teams.

2.) 15 Oct 2021 18:38:17
Only reason I think the Heat would be hesitant is the possibility that they meet the Nets in the playoffs. Not having Kyrie for those road games would be a huge blow. Other than that though, I think Pat Riley would be all for it.



14 Oct 2021 00:33:19
Building off of Psiphon's idea:

Nets get John Wall and a return on their 2024 second round pick

Rockets get Kyrie Irving and DeAndre' Bembry

Having John Wall is a lot better than having the $35 million in dead cap that Kyrie will essentially be this year. The Nets also get a pick back and create a roster spot that could be used to sign a guy like James Ennis.

Any team trading for Kyrie runs the risk of him retiring: but the Rockets wouldn't care. If Kyrie retires, then they get out of having to pay John Wall while only surrendering a likely late second round pick. If Kyrie decides to play for them, then they got a massive upgrade at point guard for virtually nothing.

Seems like a win-win to me.


1.) 14 Oct 2021 21:15:28
I know Irving's value has plummeted, but not this bad. Wall is cooked. I'd rather keep Irving and hope he gets the vax.

2.) 14 Oct 2021 22:51:43
Wall still put up 21/ 3/ 7/ 1/ 1 last year (albeit on a bad team) . I wouldn't say he's completely cooked. His contract expires in the summer of 2023, so that'd be major salary relief for the Nets. At the end of the day, something is better than nothing.



12 Oct 2021 16:00:43
Mavericks get Ben Simmons and Al Horford

76ers get Marcus Smart, Tim Hardaway Jr., the right to swap 2022 first round picks with Dallas, and a top 3 protected 2025 first round pick from Dallas

Celtics get Kristaps Porzingis and a top 3 protected 2027 first round pick from Dallas

Not sure how I feel about this trade for the Celtics, but it makes sense to me in that they create cap space, add size, and get a draft asset. Schroeder/Brown/Tatum/Porzingis/Williams would create matchup issues for anyone. I think it's fairly obvious how the 76ers and Mavericks benefit.


1.) 12 Oct 2021 16:54:21
Can’t see the Celtics giving the Sixers Smart

2.) 12 Oct 2021 19:02:33
Boston would rather have Al Horford than Porzingis, nevermind also giving up Smart.

3.) 12 Oct 2021 19:46:14
The Celtics love Horford. He's not going anywhere. Smart to Philly? Preposterous.

4.) 12 Oct 2021 20:11:51
Al Horford over Porzingis? Lmao okay sure, whatever you say.

5.) 12 Oct 2021 20:57:26
With the report that Porzingis was unhappy with his role as the #2 in Dallas, would he be happier as the #3 in Boston? Horford’s ability to be happy no matter his role is a selling point, even if he’s incredibly overpaid. He’s still a really solid contributor.

Factor in Smart too, and it’s not very close to me.

6.) 12 Oct 2021 22:13:21
Casual, if you don't think Boston would rather have Horford, then you don't follow the Celtics. It's a no doubter. Keep the contracts in mind as well.

7.) 12 Oct 2021 23:26:52
as someone who is familiar with the celtics I can safely say that it is not a "no doubter". let's keep horford's age in mind and the current state of the team. Do you realistically see the celtics winning a championship within the next two years? same reason why they would be open to trading smart to philly. Unless you're a delusional celtics homer you'd realize that they aren't going to get emotional in building their franchise. yea, they should consider personalities and chemistry w/ kp, but this team needs time to compete for a ship so adding a younger player with higher upside that can play alongside williams makes some sense.

8.) 13 Oct 2021 02:53:08
So you live in Boston ahooper? Haven't seen you around. I'm telling you, Boston would rather have Horford than Porzingis. Believe it or not I don't care but that's what it is.

9.) 13 Oct 2021 10:51:41
@Casual. The only thing KP has on Horford is age and height. But KP has never been the player Horford has been. Maybe it's the injuries, maybe not. But he comes with 3 years and 100 million dollar contract. Horford has 2 years at half that a yhe 2nd year is not guaranteed.
In case you haven't paid attention, but the Celtics are trying to open up salary for a possible run at Beal or another free agent. KP does not help them with that.

10.) 13 Oct 2021 13:24:48
JoeB did I imagine KP averaging 20/ 9 last year? Pretty sure that happened. He has a lot more on Horford than just age and height. This move creates cap space for the Celtics so I'm not sure what your rant there is about. Even in the longterm it saves cap space when you consider Smart's 5 year deal.

11.) 13 Oct 2021 13:37:15
Boston spent the off-season creating flexibility by acquiring tradable contracts, either through trade or extension. They are not going to ruin that by trading for a player that they have zero interest in.

12.) 13 Oct 2021 16:06:26
When is Smart available to be traded because of the signed extension? Mid-Jan? Doubt Philly is waiting that long to move Simmons.

13.) 13 Oct 2021 16:08:00
Casual. maybe he did, but he will never have those numbers in Boston.
He wouldn't have the opportunity to get them on a regular basis.
Would much rather have Horford, who is a better fit for the J's.
I really don't have to worry, because the Celtics aren't going to trade for KP.

14.) 13 Oct 2021 21:13:48
Lmao so you haven't seen me around Boston? That's your reply . Solid point fredman hadn't considered that philly got to make this move asap.

15.) 13 Oct 2021 22:02:55
Ahooper, I mean you said you are familiar with the Celtics. A lot of people are. What does that mean?

16.) 14 Oct 2021 03:08:13
You'd recognize me in the street?

17.) 14 Oct 2021 09:48:02
You're getting a little literal there. You said you're familiar with them. I'm just asking you what that means. Anybody who follows the NBA is familiar with them. You can't be that familiar with them if you think they would take that player, so I'm guessing you don't live here.

18.) 14 Oct 2021 23:53:02
I hope you make more educated guesses and form solid opinions based on basketball knowledge bro.



08 Oct 2021 23:13:24
The Pacers are willing to trade Malcolm Brogdon and Caris LeVert for Ben Simmons, per Zach Kendall.

Pacers get Ben Simmons

76ers get Malcolm Brogdon, Caris LeVert, and a lottery protected 2022 first round pick

Simmons and Sabonis doesn't seem like the most ideal duo, but the Pacers appear to be interested in pairing them. This is probably the best offer Philly will get for Simmons. Their defense takes a hit, but they become a lot more dynamic offensively with way more space to work with.


1.) 09 Oct 2021 00:13:22
I think Pacers would need to flip Turner for a guard

Have Ben and Warren at the forward spots and Sabonis at center.

2.) 09 Oct 2021 03:28:55
NBA16 agreed, there’s pretty much no way you could start Simmons, Sabonis, and Turner. As nice as Simmons and Turner would be defensively, there’d be no spacing.

3.) 09 Oct 2021 04:04:56
pacers should only trade one of their two ball handlers in pursuit if simmons if they go this route. hence bringing in the 3rd team and moving one of their bigs while getting another player back.



08 Oct 2021 17:01:28
Bleacher report actually suggested this mess of a trade...

76ers get Damian Lillard and Bradley Beal

Nets get De'Aron Fox, KCP, and a 2023 second round pick from the 76ers

Trailblazers get Ben Simmons, Harrison Barnes, Seth Curry, a 2022 first round pick and a 2023 first round pick swap from the 76ers

Wizards get CJ McCollum, Buddy Hield, Tyrese Maxey, a 2024 first round pick from the 76ers, and a 2024 first round pick from the Kings

Kings get Kyrie Irving, Tobias Harris, Nassir Little, a 2026 first round pick from the 76ers, and a 2022 second round pick from the Nets

This might just be the worst trade idea I've ever seen. Someone at BleacherReport needs to get fired for this. Most people on this site could post a more sensible trade. The trailblazers get absolutely robbed, that package wouldn't be enough for just Dame. They're supposed to give up Dame and CJ? Lmao. The Kings also get robbed, especially considering that Kyrie would retire before playing in Sacramento. Who else is annoyed that something like this could be published by a major outlet like BR?


1.) 08 Oct 2021 17:07:22
Also how do the wizards get a better package for Beal than the Blazers get for Dame and CJ? Just an awful trade on so many levels.

2.) 08 Oct 2021 17:33:50
The 76ers aren't getting Dame for Simmons let alone Beal as well.

3.) 08 Oct 2021 19:00:32
I saw this earlier and thought “this is a bad return for Dame”, then realized they give up CJ and Little too. So terrible.

I’d give up CJ and Little for Simmons. So Portland gets curry, Barnes, and a first for Dame? That’s hilariously bad.

4.) 08 Oct 2021 19:10:33
@JJ they're giving up a lot more than just Ben though, but yea this trade is absolute dog water. BR should be ashamed of themselves. Also, this trade makes sense for the Nets but why would they want to help Philly make a Embiid/ Dame/ Beal big 3? That would be a serious threat to them in the east.

5.) 08 Oct 2021 19:29:31
BR has no shame. they just count clicks.




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15 Oct 2021 18:38:17
Only reason I think the Heat would be hesitant is the possibility that they meet the Nets in the playoffs. Not having Kyrie for those road games would be a huge blow. Other than that though, I think Pat Riley would be all for it.




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15 Oct 2021 18:35:27
They want another all-star caliber player, not a bunch of Kings rejects and a lottery protected first.




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14 Oct 2021 22:51:43
Wall still put up 21/ 3/ 7/ 1/ 1 last year (albeit on a bad team) . I wouldn't say he's completely cooked. His contract expires in the summer of 2023, so that'd be major salary relief for the Nets. At the end of the day, something is better than nothing.




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14 Oct 2021 22:44:35
@Fredman, the LA Times: "Yet in Los Angeles, an unvaccinated Laker or Clipper could apparently still take part in home games, provided they provide proof of a negative test to comply with the county health order as it applies to Staples Center. "




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14 Oct 2021 22:40:15
Not worth it for the Mavericks unless they know Kyrie won't retire. Plus I feel like a Mark Cuban and Kyrie Irving marriage would be destined to fail.





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