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02 May 2022 02:23:54
Should Kyrie's contract discussions with the Nets go off the rails this summer (admit it, with Irving anything is possible) the Nets and Raptors could hook up... Ben Simmons would fit nicely as a 6'11" point guard in the Raptors all-big but not too big lineup... Fred VanVleet would give the Nets some stability and great defense, add Khem Birch as a rotation guy and Malachi Flynn as a young promising guard who isn't getting an opportunity to balance the salaries.
Tough to say about which way picks would go... Simmons has higher upside, particularly in Raptors line-up, but is a much higher risk...
And of course the Nets would not do this if they were going to keep Kyrie... but stranger things have happened with this player.

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1.) 02 May 2022 03:29:04
How well would Simmons and Barnes fit?


2.) 02 May 2022 12:18:59
@NBA16 - I/ m not sure of the fit because Toronto doesn't use the point guard position as a lot of teams do. you're just as likely to see Diakam and Barnes and sometimes even OG and Achiuwa bringing the ball up the floor as Fred has been. in one way he'd be a perfect fit because he can't shoot just like the rest of the team lol. I doubt that Masai would give Freddy up in a trade but I think a lineup of Simmons, Trent Jr, Anunoby, Barnes and Siakam would be an absolute terror defensively, and Achiuwa coming off the bench is also a strong defender. I think Masai wants to win games 62 - 58.


3.) 02 May 2022 16:38:11
This is interesting. I feel like Brooklyn would want more, but what do I know. They already got Curry and a couple picks WITH Simmons, so maybe they'd be willing to forego some of those extra assets just to get rid of the headache. That being said. how would the locker room fit be in Toronto? Especially if you're losing the leadership of FVV? I have no doubt Barnes will be able to step into that role eventually but he's got a couple of years to go.

On the court you're right that that lineup would be a defensive beast. You would just have to hope that the shooting improves with that group or at least gets more consistent, or that they can bring in an inexpensive shooter or two to supplement. On the other hand, they've had a lot of awful (and overall low-scoring) games they've won or come close to winning because the defense has been so locked in, including in this year's playoffs. They just have to start bringing it every night. That's what I keep going back to with this group. They're still so young. Give them a couple more years to grow and work together within this system, get more consistent defensively, and they could be a force even without reliable shooting. Add that in eventually and they could make some noise.


4.) 11 May 2022 16:22:35
Yous are all high. Barnes is a better player then Simmons and Raptor's need shooting. So why would they do this. If Barnes wasn't on yhe team I can see something happening but not now.

Simmons needs to get healthy mentally and physically then play a season and see what happened with all that time off maybe he learnt how to shoot. Lol doubt it.


 

 

06 Feb 2022 18:50:11
Brooklyn sends Milsap to Bulls for Matt Thomas
Milsap doesn't have much left but can help in a part time role as a vet 4. Thomas shooting over 40% on 3s gives BKL a shooter they need

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03 Feb 2022 05:23:00
Raptors send Dragic, Flynn and 2022 1st to Spurs. Grizzlies send Kyle Anderson and Utah 2022 1st to Spurs. Spurs send Poetl and Walker IV to Raptors and Thaddeus Young to Grizzlies.
Depending on Spurs preference... trade as proposed assumes they aren't really big on resigning Walker and prefer Flynn's rookie contract. If they want to keep him they could put Eubanks in and not take Flynn.

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1.) 03 Feb 2022 14:22:08
if walker can get his numbers up to last years could be a good trade. poetls f/ t are troublesome especially in crunch time. the raptors are two solid bench players away right now form being serious contenders. with this trade. they are no worse than +250s against either the bulls or the heat. could even be a pick em.


 

 

08 Sep 2021 15:49:03
Philly - Toronto

Philly may get better offers than this, but if not, this deal does offer some value to them, and Simmons' value isn't what it was. In any event, I think it's the best offer Toronto SHOULD make...

Dragic, Boucher, 2022 1st, 2023 swap, 2024 1st

for Simmons

PHIL
Dragic/Maxey
Curry/Milton
Green/Thybulle
Harris/Boucher
Embiid/Drummond

TOR
VanVleet/Flynn
Trent/Mykhailiuk
Anunoby/Barnes
Siakam/Achiuwa
Simmons/Birch

Philly has a more balanced lineup and gets rid of a problem. Toronto front court becomes a defensive menace. Throw Barnes into the 2 in late game situations and nobody scores (including Toronto maybe lol)

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1.) 08 Sep 2021 18:22:57
Phili counter offer: Harris and Maxey for Siakam.

They’re equally bad.

Even if you added OG it’s a pretty poor offer. If Dragic is the best player they bring back for Simmons, they might as well just waive Embiid.


2.) 08 Sep 2021 20:31:59
It wouldn't surprise me if there was a better offer. your Blazers certainly could offer more and may be more motivated to do it. Dragic allows them to clear the books to build better around Embiid. Cleveland will likely make a better offer. I don't think Minny will despite how badly they want him. I doubt they will get the prize they really want, which is Dame. I'm pretty certain Morey is not going to be able to get what he wants in this deal from anybody. Sac says no to Hali and Fox, Portland says no to Dame, Warriors say no to Wiseman and Kuminga. Personally I'd be tempted to send Siakam if it was straight up, but I don't think Raptors management would do that.


 

 

08 Jul 2021 21:56:09
TOR - DET

If Toronto management is sold on Cunningham becoming a superstar...

Toronto sends Siakam, Flynn, #4 and 2023 1st

Detroit sends Grant, Joseph and #1

Saw Bleacher Report's proposals for all the top 10 teams best offers, but I don't think the Raptors would part with OG. I believe Toronto management sees Siakam as, worst case, salary ballast to trade for a disgruntled superstar. If they believe Cunningham will become that superstar this would make sense for the Raptors.
Not sure if Detroit would see Siakam as that much of an upgrade over Grant, but Casey is familiar with him...

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1.) 09 Jul 2021 05:21:17
Pistons say no.


2.) 09 Jul 2021 05:39:56
What do rap fans see in OG that wouldn’t package him for a super star? (Not this trade)


3.) 09 Jul 2021 17:51:54
OG in Toronto = Issac in Orlando.


4.) 09 Jul 2021 18:11:56
@NBA16 - OG is likely going to reach AllNBA defensive team, and, if he continues to develop his handle could become a top 10, maybe top 5 kind of player. He has the demeanour of an assassin that you need to be the best. I think Toronto management sees his upside as being higher than Siakam's, because Pascal is too emotional and let's himself get beat by his own attitude.
Also, Anunoby's salary would still require another contract to match salaries. Siakam's salary can match up with almost any superstar.
And finally. I think OG is a better support piece for that superstar than Siakam would be.


5.) 09 Jul 2021 20:16:46
Neither are going to be superstars.


 

 

 

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21 May 2022 22:25:50
Siakam has been and may again this year be All NBA. Ayton's own team doesn't want to pay him the max. how is that a fair trade?

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20 May 2022 13:06:31
Neither of the players you suggest really fit into what Toronto is doing. they could have signed Holmes last year if they had been interested in paying a little more than Sacramento could offer. they didn't, which tells me Masai doesn't see him as a fit. and everyone who follows the Raptors knows that the logjam of forwards is by design, not a mistake.
Siakam is at the very least close to ALLNBA and it wouldn't make any sense for the Raptors to deal him unless the deal made them immediately better. Toronto has no interest at all in a teardown rebuild.

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17 May 2022 03:24:08
And why would Boucher agree to take a home town discount so he could be traded away?

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15 May 2022 20:16:49
@fred. yeah, i looked it up after posting and i was a little confused. the player cannot be signed using the MLE and then traded. doesn't specify salary level.

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15 May 2022 02:54:48
And that nasty hard cap for taking on a S&T player. good luck with that math. and doesn't the money have to be higher then the NTMLE to do a sign and trade?

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