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08 Jul 2021 21:56:09
TOR - DET

If Toronto management is sold on Cunningham becoming a superstar...

Toronto sends Siakam, Flynn, #4 and 2023 1st

Detroit sends Grant, Joseph and #1

Saw Bleacher Report's proposals for all the top 10 teams best offers, but I don't think the Raptors would part with OG. I believe Toronto management sees Siakam as, worst case, salary ballast to trade for a disgruntled superstar. If they believe Cunningham will become that superstar this would make sense for the Raptors.
Not sure if Detroit would see Siakam as that much of an upgrade over Grant, but Casey is familiar with him...

wlndrapsfan

1.) 09 Jul 2021 05:21:17
Pistons say no.


2.) 09 Jul 2021 05:39:56
What do rap fans see in OG that wouldn’t package him for a super star? (Not this trade)


3.) 09 Jul 2021 17:51:54
OG in Toronto = Issac in Orlando.


4.) 09 Jul 2021 18:11:56
@NBA16 - OG is likely going to reach AllNBA defensive team, and, if he continues to develop his handle could become a top 10, maybe top 5 kind of player. He has the demeanour of an assassin that you need to be the best. I think Toronto management sees his upside as being higher than Siakam's, because Pascal is too emotional and let's himself get beat by his own attitude.
Also, Anunoby's salary would still require another contract to match salaries. Siakam's salary can match up with almost any superstar.
And finally. I think OG is a better support piece for that superstar than Siakam would be.


5.) 09 Jul 2021 20:16:46
Neither are going to be superstars.


 

 

26 Jun 2021 04:16:08
Decided I'd do a Fredman style offseason plan for the Raptors. I read the prediction The Athletic had and thought these guys aren't near bold enough. I threw out their rule of using the tax line as a hard cap and set out to improve the roster to top 4 in the eastand go ahead and spend into the tax. I believe that the Raptors plan to stay competitive and be ready to strike when the next disgruntled superstar becomes available...
I borrowed structure and some of the numbers from The Athletics' article (credit where due... Lowry, Trent and Birch deals used their numbers)...

Raptors offseason

June 30 - Raptors announce Masai Ujiri has agreed to a 3 year extension making him the highest paid executive in all North American pro sports

July 26 - The Raptors announce they will guarantee Rodney Hood's $10.85 million contract for 2021-22, ; they also announce they will guarantee Aaron Baynes' $7.35 million salary.

July 29 - The Raptors announce they will trade Aaron Baynes, Rodney Hood, the #4 pick in this year's draft, Raptors 1st round pick in 2023 to Indianapolis Pacers for Myles Turner

Aug. 4: Raptors re-sign Kyle Lowry (unrestricted, Bird rights) to a two-year, $45 million deal
As a product of deciding to sign Lowry, the Raptors will now operate as an over-the-cap team.

the Raptors guarantee the contracts of Chris Boucher (decision must be made by Aug. 8), Yuta Watanabe ($375,000 guaranteed now, the rest if he makes the opening night roster, Aug. 9), DeAndre' Bembry (Aug. 6/7), Paul Watson Jr. (Aug. 5/6), and Freddie Gillespie ($50,000 guaranteed now, the rest if he makes the opening night roster, Aug. 20).

Assuming both Watanabe and Gillespie make the team, and assuming Jalen Harris and the second-round pick agree to two-way deals, that gives the Raptors 10 main-roster players and two two-way players at $102,278,712 - more than $34 million under the luxury tax, which I am NOT using as a de facto hard cap. Lowry's first year salary is 21.6M, so the cap sheet is now at $123,908,712

Here's the roster breakdown as of now.

Guard: Fred VanVleet, Kyle Lowry, Malachi Flynn, Jalen Harris (two-way)
Wing: OG Anunoby, Pascal Siakam, Yuta Watanabe, Paul Watson Jr., De'Andre Bembry
Frontcourt: Myles Turner, Chris Boucher, Freddie Gillespie
Additional two-way (one of 2nd round picks, or undrafted find)

Aug. 6: Raptors sign Khem Birch (unrestricted, part of mid-level exception) to two-year, $10 million contract.

Aug 11: Raptors sign Gary Trent Jr. (restricted, Bird rights) to three-year, $45.45 million deal, third-year player option

Now 13 players and salary of 142,708,712. Now a taxpayer, so Birch's salary makes up 4.8M of the 5.8M taxpayer MLE. 14th spot gets filled at the vet minumum.

Starting lineup
Lowry, vanVleet, Anunoby, Siakam, Turner
Bench
Flynn, Trent, Bembry, Boucher, Birch

Depth
Gillespie, Watanabe, Watson + 1 or 2 vets at minimum

wlndrapsfan

1.) 26 Jun 2021 09:08:53
So you are going to be a tax payer for the next few years while not being a championship caliber team. Maybe 5th seed in the East behind MIL, BRK, ATL, PHIL.


2.) 26 Jun 2021 12:29:14
Yep. once the team is back in Toronto there is a revenue stream to justify paying tax. The goal is to become a team that can become a serious contender with one deal for one superstar. I honestly believe that the lineup I have would compete for a 3 seed in this year's NBA and I'm not convinced Philly won't end up weaker in whatever moves they make this offseason (Darryl Morey is jinxed) . Brooklyn is clearly the class of the East but are vulnerable to injury.
One place where the similarities between Sac and Toronto diverge is market. Toronto has the revenue streams to profit even when paying tax. Sacramento can't profit if they're into the tax.


3.) 26 Jun 2021 14:36:48
I really dislike the idea of trading that number 4 pick we always complain we never have a superstar well this is a legit opportunity to draft one and people just want to trade it for miles turner.


4.) 26 Jun 2021 15:33:25
Too much for Turner imo.


5.) 26 Jun 2021 17:11:43
Way too much writing for Turner.


6.) 26 Jun 2021 18:00:00
@shizzee. way less writing than you might think. most of it is cut and paste from The Athletic lol.

{Ed001's Note - could you please credit them in future if you are going to do that. It is not right to steal someone else's work and pass it off as your own.}


 

 

22 Jun 2021 00:25:38
down to the final 4 and now there's 2 teams kicking themselves for not getting the lowry deal done. with the knicks sitting on cap space and masai's willingness to walk if you don't meet the price the raptors may do well on a sign and trade.
below are some ideas of what the raptors should target from each team that might be interested... some of them are the best the team might have to offer but still not enough... some of them might have guys screaming its too much... but i don't think any sign and trade is going to be as a favour to Kyle... he knows its a busines...

Clippers - Beverley and Morris or Kennard (hate it as a raptor fan)
Dallas - KP (hate this even more)
Knicks - would probably just prefer to use cap space...
Nets - Jordan and Harris (but why with Harden and Irving?)
Suns (if Paul declines and leaves) Saric, Bridges (wouldn't do it)
Lakers - Caldwell-Pope, Kuzma
Heat - Dragic, Herro, Precious
Phila - Simmons

to me the Philly deal would be the best if they are really ready to thrown in on simmons... but i think morey has to be asking himself if they would still be playing if he'd made that trade at the deadline... and he's never been afraid to gamble...

what deals would you think more likely? or will toronto just resign him?

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18 Jun 2021 22:46:04
Now that Brad Stevens has made his first move he has some cleaning up to do... Boston needs a point guard, and has too many 5s...
Raptors S&T Lowry (2+1, 25M/yr) for Thompson and Smart.
Boston then resigns Fournier to play the 2

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16 Mar 2021 15:17:00
How do you get Barnes to Boston? Trade Thompson to open up space under the hard cap...
Toronto hopes to improve their 5 spot and the Knicks collect picks for taking on expiring salary...
Kings get 2 1sts for Barnes....

Boston gets Barnes
Boston sends Thompson to Toronto, 2022 2nd to Knicks, 2022 and 2024 top 10 protected 1sts for Kings

New York gets Baynes, Davis and 2023 2nd from Toronto, 2022 2nd from Boston (Hornets pick)
New York sends Brazdeikis to Toronto

Toronto gets Thompson from Boston and Brazdeikis from New York
Toronto sends Baynes and Davis to New York, 2023 2nd to New York

Sacramento gets 2022 and 2024 top 10 protected 1sts from Boston
Sacramento sends Barnes to Boston

Too much for Barnes? Maybe the Boston 2022 2nd instead of the 2024 1st?

wlndrapsfan

1.) 16 Mar 2021 16:55:03
Why are the Knicks even here?


2.) 16 Mar 2021 17:57:29
Knicks are hear to eat salary because they have cap space.


3.) 16 Mar 2021 18:37:16
not sure how the protection on 2022 works to not violate Stepien's rule for 2024 pick for starters.

Also, Kings would want one of the picks to be the 2021 first. so if Boston wants to go 2021 + top 10 protected 2024 pick, that is fine.

If it makes it easier, Kings will just take Thompson along with the picks to get under the hard cap. But Boston only needs to give up Neismith's salary to get under the Hard Cap which the Kings would really be interested in (and may make the deal more superior than what other teams are offering for Barnes) .


4.) 16 Mar 2021 20:56:17
could Knicks trade 4 of 6 PGs. Rivers Ntilikina Payton Pinson accept Quickley Rose.


 

 

 

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22 Jul 2021 17:16:53
It's simple. Washington just has to be willing to pay Shroder $39M so salaries match up. There only has to be one guaranteed year.

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22 Jul 2021 00:27:17
alexander-walker is a nice young player and i'm sure nick nurse was happy with his performance trying to qualify canada for the olympics. but. NAW would be the 5th guard in your scenario, behind trent jr and flynn, or maybe take the 4th spot and development time away from flynn. and boucher is a backup 4 who can be effective from time to time as a small ball 5, but if Hayes isn't good enough to start here then there's not enough in this trade to justify giving up the #4 pick in a 4 allstar draft.

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21 Jul 2021 16:51:22
Actually, ShaqIsBack, that's not quite right. you can do a sign and trade of 2 players (Durant, Russell 2 years ago), but you cannot aggregate salaries. in other words you can't add a second player to the newly signed player to match salaries. If the 2 players being signed match up salary wise you can do this.
In terms of the hard cap they cannot exceed the apron, which is about 6-8 million above the luxury tax line, and way beyond the cap.
Other than that, I agree that these 3 players are not going to all line up and want to do this. I think all of them will get quite a bit more than the 14-17M suggested.

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21 Jul 2021 16:42:00
Brooklyn is way over the apron and cannot receive a newly signed player in a sign and trade. they would have to sign Dinwiddie and trade him for a player already under contract.

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21 Jul 2021 14:54:11
Love bailing out on the Olympic team ruined any idea Coby Altman had that he might get something of value for Love. A Cleveland fan recently posted that the owner is mega rich. he's going to have to dig into his pockets and buy out Love to get the contract off the books. I think Love may also have to accept a Blake Griffin type giveback (13M) if he wants to sign with somebody else.

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