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30 Nov 2015 04:39:46
Mega deal (LAC/Phx/NYK)

Clips gets Morris and Melo

Phx get Griffin
- Knight, Lance, Tucker, Griffin, Chandler

Knicks get Bledsoe and Warren
Bledsoe, Affalo, Warren, Porzingus, Lopez.

30 Nov 2015 05:13:34
Suns need to give more.

30 Nov 2015 05:16:17
Phx get Griffin and Lance*.

28 Nov 2015 23:07:34
Melo Seraphin Early Galloway
Morris Tucker Bledsoe Warren


Knicks sign Boozer

29 Nov 2015 05:19:58
You adjusted the rosters all messed up.

Suns get melo

Knicks get Bledsoe, len, warren,2 1st round draft picks 2016,2017

Knicks will accept this offer

Morris has no trade value he's going to be miserable anywhere he goes. morris only wants to play with his brother. which is going to end his career short

Tucker has NO trade value (zero)

29 Nov 2015 15:39:20
That's too much for Melo. Take out a first and it's a bit more reasonable.

29 Nov 2015 19:55:59
A PHX perspective. You can keep Melo in NY. So, that ends most of the trade right there. & you're also not getting Bledsoe. Wanna revise the deal to have Morris and/or Tucker from the Suns? Don't think NY has much to interest the Suns. so, no deal.

28 Nov 2015 15:11:39
Blazers get Seraphin D-Will
Bulls get Lopez E. Davis
Knicks get Noah Gibson vAlexander

Blazers lack offense in their front court
Bulls get healthier and younger
Knicks get more athletic



Magic get Lawson Grant
Rockets get Calderon Smith
Knicks get Payton Thornton Watson


28 Nov 2015 16:57:49
Everything about the Blazers in this is wrong. I wouldn't trade Ed Davis for that. Plumlee starts over seraphin. Leonard is not the third string PF. McCollum is the starting SG.

For the Bulls, it seems like movement for the sake of movement, I don't see why they do it.

27 Nov 2015 21:41:10
Heat get Melo Calderon Early D-Will Thomas
Knicks get Dragic Deng Green Stokes Winslow



28 Nov 2015 02:51:17
Why not throw porzingus into the trade and heat add 2nd round pick 2019?

27 Nov 2015 14:37:47
I saw a trade posted earlier. Here's my version of that.


Celtics get Paul Pierce and DeAndre Jordan
* improved interior defense and get their former star back for his final years

M. Smart-I. Thomas-T. Rozier
A. Bradley-E. Turner-R. Hunter
P. Pierce-J. Crowder
A. Johnson-K. Olynyk-J. Jerebko
D. Jordan-T. Zeller

Clippers get Nerlens Noel, Jared Sullinger, Robert Covington and BOS 1st
* get a similar player to Jordan while getting some depth

C. Paul-A. Rivers-P. Prigioni
J. Redick-J. Crawford
R. Covington-W. Johnson
B. Griffin-J. Smith
N. Noel-J. Sullinger-C. Aldrich

Sixers get BOS 1st via BKN, David Lee and Lance Stephenson
* they suck anyway in overall so take the BKN pick for Noel and they might end up getting 3 picks in top 5

T. McConnell-I. Canaan
N. Stauskas-T. Wroten
L. Stephenson-J. Grant
D. Lee-J. Sampson
J. Okafor-J. Embiid.

27 Nov 2015 16:30:27
I like this trade more then the one you mentioned before. Good return for everyone. Celtics become a playoff team for sure with Jordan.

27 Nov 2015 21:15:46
Paul pierce retires midseason the day this trade happens. No way he goes back to boston.

26 Nov 2015 06:03:06

Knicks get noel
Philly gets O'quinn and 2nd round pick 2016

Helps philly tank
Noel plays too hard
Philly wants to get rid of any players with talent.

26 Nov 2015 12:42:17
I see the humor.

26 Nov 2015 05:53:03

Nyk gets whiteside
Mia gets melo

Whiteside is going to have to do a sign and trade because knicks wouldn't trade melo for a expiring contract

Melo would wavie his no trade clause to join miami and good friend dwade

Miami would defiantly do it but i think knicks would want some draft picks included.

26 Nov 2015 12:42:46
They have Zinger.

26 Nov 2015 13:32:13
this trade won't work salarys don't match -- and why would Whiteside do this if he waits until the season is over and become a free agent he will get more money.

26 Nov 2015 13:35:20
Porzingus is going to be a pf untill he gains more weight 2-3 yrs

Whiteside and porzingus can play together cause zingus has a outside game and whiteside plays in the paint.

26 Nov 2015 14:51:08
And do what with Robin Lopez?

I really like what I have seen from Whiteside so far, but I don't know that I want to commit moving Melo for a guys who really has only been making an impact in the L for a year. Maybe if Winslow and a first was included, but even then it's not quite enough for Melo.

Zinger and Hassan could play together, but Knicks don't make this deal unless there are more moving pieces (ie. a third team involved, move Lopez, bring in more assets) .

26 Nov 2015 05:46:58
Nyk - sac

Knicks get rondo

Sac gets calderon, O'quinn,2nd round pick 2017

Sac isn't going to make playoffs and rondo isn't going to resign

Only problem i see is sac getting a better offer for rondo since he's playing good.

25 Nov 2015 22:13:25
Okc get MKG Batum Calderon Grant
Charlotte get Melo Waiters
Knicks get Durant Payne Augustin.

26 Nov 2015 02:26:13
OKC never makes this deal.

25 Nov 2015 20:59:34

DAL get Carmelo Anthony and Aaron Afflalo

NYK get Chandler Parsons, Wesley Matthews and JJ Barea + maybe a pick.

25 Nov 2015 22:02:33
Fail to see any reason why the knicks would do this? Both parsons and Matthews are way overpaid. Matthews for another 4 years at 15 a year? It just makes no sense and does NOT make the knicks any better. Besides, Melo absolutely wouldn't go to Dallas.

26 Nov 2015 05:59:27
Parson, Matthews, jj and maybe a pick isn't worth melo then to make it worst you add afflafo lol

Your a mavs fan forsure can't blame you for dreaming

parson and mattews are barely better then afflafo.

26 Nov 2015 12:44:36
^ I am not a Mavs fan. I am not ddrainr. I'm a Lakers fan.

25 Nov 2015 20:57:55

CHI get Wesley Matthews, Raymond Felton, Robin Lopez and DAL 1st

Pg Rose/Brooks/Felton
Sg Matthews/Moore/Hinrich
Sf Butler/McDermott/Snell
Pf Mirotic/Gibson
Ce Lopez/Portis

DAL get Joakim Noah, Jose Calderon and Aaron Afflalo and 2nd from NYK

Pg Williams/Calderon
Sg Afflalo/Harris
Sf Parsons/Evans
Pf Nowitzki/Powell
Ce Noah/Pachulia/McGee

NYK get Pau Gasol, JJ Barea and Mike Dunleavy

Pg Barea/Grant
Sg Galloway/Dunleavy/Vujacic
Sf Anthony/Williams
Pf Gasol/Oquinn
Ce Porzingis/Seraphin

i don't know who's losing and who's winning with the deal. Please give some opinion?

25 Nov 2015 16:07:09
If the Pelicans want to surround Davis with superstar talent, why not go after the two most available players that have (at least at one time) held the title of superstar?

Pelicans get Derrick Rose and Carmelo Anthony

Knicks get Eric Gordon and Ryan Anderson

Bulls get Tyreke Evans and Jrue Holliday

A few points to make:

1. Clearly, this current roster built around Davis is not enough.
2. Rose and Melo have both been rumored to be available.
3. Knicks get two things they need: a big expiring contract, a flippable piece in Anderson.
4. Bulls get two things they'd need in a Rose deal: a point to replace Rose and a versatile wing without committing future $$$.
5. A lineup of Rose, (a shooting guard in a subsequent deal), Melo, Davis, and Asik is better than what they have now.

WAY out there and what-not, but is this at least intriguing?

25 Nov 2015 16:24:09
You think Knicks would do that without even receiving a pick? Men.

25 Nov 2015 17:05:22
For derrick rose, mayyyybe thatll work. For melo, that's laughable. First, there are no viable rumors that he is being shopped, quite the opposite. Second, the knicks are looking for a big expiring and a flipable piece for their star? Seriously? As USA, no picks, no prospects, no good players. just make the move to rid themselves of melo?

Come on, you can at least try better than that.

25 Nov 2015 20:00:22
I'm a Pels fan but even I say there's no way Knicks would do this. Pels are going to have to salvage this season somehow, get injury free and come FA 2016 They have a great cap situation to draw the pieces they need around AD.

24 Nov 2015 13:59:19

NYK get: Luol Deng (exp), David Lee (exp), Chris Anderson (exp), Avery Bradley, 2016 1st DP BOS (via MIN), and 2016 1st DP BOS (via DAL)

pg. Grant/Galloway
sg. Bradley/Vucajic
sf. Deng/Early
pf. Lee/Williams
c. Porzingis/O'Quinn

MIA get: Carmelo Anthony and Aaron Afflalo

pg. Dragic/Udrih
sg. Wade/Afflalo
sf. Anthony/Green
pf. Bosh/McRoberts
c. Whiteside/Stat

BOS get: Justice Winslow, Jose Calderon, Taylor Johnson, Robin Lopez and 2016 MIA 1st DP

pg. Smart/Thomas
sg. Winslow/Turner
sf. Crowder/Young
pf. Sullinger/Jerebko
c. Lopez/Olynyk.

24 Nov 2015 15:02:04
Honestly I'm guessing your a Knicks fan and I'm suprised at this trade because New York gives up a lot for getting only Bradley as a future piece and 3 first round in this year. I mean I know you get Deng and Lee but like you said they are expiring and so is Anderson so they aren't in the future and you give up Carmelo who could get you two draft picks plus some and Afflalo, Calderon, and Lopez, those three can also get you a pick or two and a quality young piece so overall I see the Knicks getting screwed. They aren't giving up on the season yet and their future is already bright with Poz.

24 Nov 2015 15:31:22
too many moving pieces knick. no need for that.

25 Nov 2015 05:14:36
I want melo far away from porzingus but melo has way more trade value then bradley, deng and 2 1st round picks which only one will be lottery.
David lee sucks and can't run up and down the court anymore
Bradley is underachieving
Deng is an ok player
Not worth melo tho.

23 Nov 2015 20:47:07
NYK/Sac (after the 15th)

Cousins for Porzingis and Lopez

Porzingis is playing with a high ceiling and this could be a prelude for what is to come or there could be a drop. Sac takes a chance and they get two big men the fortify their front court while NYK gets a dangerous Melo/Cousins combo.

23 Nov 2015 23:08:50
Would be crazy (in a positive way) if that happened. I mean the situation with the Knicks is still the one that was expected after the draft, although they won some games now: Porzingis is, as a commentator recently put it, "ahead of his schedule, but still a project" and Carmelos peak may already be behind him. Even if they make the playoffs this year, how long will they be in them? Same thing next year. And when Porzingis finally reaches his peak, Carmelo may already see the horizon called career-end (unless he drank something of that Duncan stuff) . With the trade above this obviously all changes. But the biggest weakness still would be the PG-Spot for the Knicks. Wonder if they'd go for Rondo then too as Melo was/is allegedly favoring him. Also as Rondo's contract is expiring he may be a little easier to get, as he simply could be gone after the season. Would adding Calderon + Pick maybe even do it? Someone here wrote some weeks ago that the Knicks can't trade their 2017 first rounder? Why? On realgm they still own it.

24 Nov 2015 00:21:25
Knicks traded 2016. Can't do back to back. Knicks won't make this move. Porzingas is a third the price or less. Locked up for 4 years. A great teammate. And the team is really starting to gel. The Knicks aren't moving Melo or porzingis. They will build around them. Porzingis will lengthen Melos career because there is far less pressure to be he entire team. Additionally, porzingis will be a very attractive lure for free agents. He is turning out to be incredible.

24 Nov 2015 00:49:05
Good stuff pizza

24 Nov 2015 02:26:49
They can trade back to back if they've already drafted the player. They could even have traded the Porzingis pick at the draft, they just couldn't trade it before that.

Cousins is a beast, and from a talent standpoint Knicks win this deal. That said, I don't know that I want Cousins, don't think him and Melo fit together well, and I don't love his attitude either.

24 Nov 2015 07:00:57
Cpt - the reason they can't trade the 2017 is because in the past, a poor GM traded away all his future firsts in a failed attempt to win now. The NBA front office realized that this was terrible for a franchise, because when the team does bad, fans can't even say, "wait until next year" if they've traded away all their first rounders. The draft remains the NBA's best mechanism for parity. Anyway, that bad GM goes down in history, since future Collective Bargaining Agreements all now have "The Stepian Rule. "

Many people don't get this quite right, so let me state it clearly.

A team can't make a trade that would leave them without a first rounder in the next two drafts.

1. First note that this doesn't say "your" first rounders. If NYK could acquire a unprotected first rounder (a late one is probably the most realistic) for 2016 or 2017, then the Knicks could trade both the NYK 2016, and the NYK 2017.

2. Second, note that the rule covers the next two drafts. As Triangle points out, a team could trade their pick on draft night every single year, because on draft night the next two future drafts are the following two years. Also note that what you did the previous year doesn't matter at that point - it's all about the next two future drafts.

Anyway, I posted because I wanted to make sure that if you were learning it today, that you understood it without the common misconceptions it usually comes with.

24 Nov 2015 07:07:12
As for the trade, if the Knicks had a chance to get Cousins for Porzingas, you have to do that deal.

Porzingas has a good chance of becoming a star, no doubt. However, Cousins is undoubtedly already a star, and probably the best center in the NBA. Cousins just turned 25 - he's not old by any stretch of the imagination. But the main reason you do this is that franchises are built in franchise players. I don't like Cousins, but he is a franchise player, where Porzingas only may become one some day.

24 Nov 2015 12:45:56
Cool! Thanks Triangle and Shrink for the explanation about the Stepien Rule, didn't know that. Maybe a glossary here on this site would be useful, as I for example still don't understand everything about cap space. All the exception rules, has a team currently enough cap to sign a certain player, how much money can be send in cash (in a trade) and so on. All the info sites about it are like a punch to the face, like where do I start. And maybe a glossary here, also would prevent trade ideas like "Joe Johnson for Eric Gordon".

Back to the trade: I would agree with Pizza about building a team around them, if the age difference wouldn't be there. As nice as all that sounds, but by the time Porzingis becomes only 24, Melo already will be 35. And can you win a conference final, let alone a championship with this combination? I guess if the Knicks could get Cousins, at any price despite Melo, they also would. And if there'd be any chance to acquire Rondo (or Collison) within the trade too, that would be a total no-brainer I think. Btw, when Jackson was asked about Cousins 5 months ago, he said: “We don’t know if we have enough stuff to even be in the talk, but we’re aware of what’s going on. ” Now they might have enough "stuff".

24 Nov 2015 19:18:22
1) Shrink writes the Stepien rule every week, you don't need a glossery, just scroll down

2) I was speaking in general, yes there are exceptions, but i answered cpt's question. But I guess thanks for showing exceptions to the rule, that really helps everyone.

3) You do NOT have to take that trade. There is basically zero chance that Cousins is a fit for the coach, the team, the scheme or the organization. Love Cousins' ability and talent. Love his age. Hate his attitude. Hate him as a teammate. He isn't someone I would want to build a franchise around. He is someone I would want to be a part of a franchise build.

4) addressing the age thing, Porzingis will likely extend Melo's career. By being a viable threat offensively and lightening the load and pressure on Melo, he can actually last longer. Melo isn't a driver. His game isn't based on athleticism. It is very realistic that Melo can be a top talent for 2-4 more years, enough time to allow for Porzingis to develop and bring in others that would want to play with the improving knicks.

Shrink, you literally wrote in one comment about how the knicks' "poor gm" threw away the future for win-now. and then go immediately after, well, if you have to throw away the future for win-now, you gotta! that's the exact thinking that ruined the knicks the past 3 years. The knicks have learned (hopefully) and they are developing their talent. The knicks are satisfied where they are and aren't dismantling their team for a potential bad apple.

24 Nov 2015 23:14:59
Pizza, you never cease to amuse me.

"You literally wrote one comment about how the Knicks poor GM. "

Lol! Ted Stepien was the GM for the Cavs.

AND you used the word "literally, " when you get it wrong!

Misreading is common for you, but I was "literally" amused by the irony here!

25 Nov 2015 05:34:06
You can trade your first round pick every year. No such rules says you cant. I don't know where that guy got that rule from lol

Raptors own knicks 1st round pick this year from brignani trade

And nuggets own raptors 1st round pick 2016 with option to switch for 2017 raptors 2nd round pick

Fair to say nuggets will take raptors first round pick this year

I hope knicks learn their lesson a never trade a 1st round pick away for anybody. 1st round picks are way to valuble especially when you suck.

25 Nov 2015 14:54:24
Actually the raptors get the less favorable pick between the Knicks and Denver. Those trades were before the new cba.

23 Nov 2015 20:46:55
NYK- Kidd-Gilchrist, Lamb, Kaminsky, and two 1st round picks
CHA- Melo

The Knicks are not going to win it all with what they have. They need to rebuild and build around Prozingis. MKG, Kaminsky and Lamb are good, young pieces that can attract some big names in the offseason.

C- Lopez/Kaminski
PF- Prozingis/O'Quinn
SF- Kidd-Gilchrist/Williams
SG- Afflalo/Lamb
PG- Grant/Galloway.

24 Nov 2015 02:28:04
Like a Melo to Charlotte deal, but I don't see the Knicks getting all that for Melo.

24 Nov 2015 14:39:20
Melo would veto the trade going to Charlotte.

23 Nov 2015 17:56:40
Rockets get Calderon O'Quinn
Knicks get Harrell Budinger G. Hill
Pacers get Lawson Early.

23 Nov 2015 15:23:39

PHX get James Young, David Lee (exp) and Cleanthony Early + 2nd from NYK

Pg Bledsoe/Price/Goodwin
Sg Knight/Booker
Sf Warren/Young/Weems
Pf Lee/Teletovic/Early
Ce Chandler/Len/Sims

BOS get Robin Lopez and PJ Tucker

Pg Thomas/Rozier/Smart
Sg Bradley/Turner/Hunter
Sf Crowder/Tucker/Jones
Pf Sullinger/Olynyk/Jerebko
Ce Lopez/Zeller

NYK get Amir Johnson and Markieff Morris

Pg Calderon/Grant
Sg Afflalo/Galloway/Vujacic
Sf Anthony/Williams
Pf Morris/Johnson
Ce Porzingis/Oquinn/Seraphin.

23 Nov 2015 16:41:19
Hmmm. not the worst deal for Morris I've seen. not too bad. but, would like another PF instead of Young. or make the 2nd a 1st.

23 Nov 2015 17:49:07
Knicks loose chemistry and still calderon is the pg, makes no sense.

22 Nov 2015 18:26:56
Oakland Thunders And New York Knicks

Kevin Durant And Carmelo Anthony

22 Nov 2015 19:26:15
I really appreciate how much thought you put into your proposals.

22 Nov 2015 19:50:56
None at all i see smh leuven.

23 Nov 2015 13:43:42
Fuquajay, Leica. Was being sarcastic. Sadly went over your head. Smh lmfao hehe lol.

22 Nov 2015 15:39:36
Hornets get Melo Early
Pacers get MKG Batum Hornets 2016 protected 1st
Knicks get George Budinger Whittington

Hornets know neither MKG and Batum will never be better than Melo now, Hornets make trade to win now bc Jefferson has only few more good yrs left with good youth around them could compete for title.


Pacers know of George's unhappiness. They get great

Batum/S. Hill
MKG/J. Hill/Christmas

This is the type of move nobody in ny would ever
imagine to do but zenmaster who made fans believers again after drafting Porzingis a player everyone doubted.


22 Nov 2015 15:43:58
No chance Knicks get Paul George for Melo. And I'm a Knicks fan. This is absurd fandom!

22 Nov 2015 15:45:58
no defense on that Hornets team.

22 Nov 2015 15:55:15
Knicks need to give up more because George is better than melo.

22 Nov 2015 05:16:39
I posted this in response to another post and really think it would be an even and interesting trade for both teams.

NYK: B Griffin and L Stephenson

They get a young superstar who is locked up for another 2 years after this season on will be cheap contract once the cap rises again. Stephenson is from Brooklyn I think? And can return to play in his hometown.

PG: Calderon/Grant
SG: Afflalo
SF: Stephenson
PF: Griffin
C: Looez

LAC: Anthony and Porzingas

I'm almost positive Melo would waive his no trade clause to play with th Clippers. They cannot win a title the way they're currently constructed. They make a win now move to get Melo and hedge a little and take Porzingas for the future. He looks like he's gong to be a very good player, but who knows if he'll ever be as good as Blake.

PG: Paul
SG: Reddick
SF: Melo
PF: Smith/Porzingas
C: Jordan


22 Nov 2015 10:42:26
Knicks won't give up Porzingis he's a beast and the future of the Knicks.

22 Nov 2015 12:55:25
Six weeks ago I would have been more likely to say yes to this deal, and I don't want to get too caught up in Zingermania, but he just looks like too good a prospect to give him up with Melo and take back Stephenson with Griffin.

I keep Zinger and Melo.

23 Nov 2015 00:49:28
No way knicks give up porzingus and melo together. Either melo or porzingus for blake griffin. Porzingus is the most talked about player in the league right now. Go to nba. com he's #1 in mentions and lebron is 2nd.

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