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25 Mar 2017 02:32:58
New York Knicks summer

Complete rebuild

Draft night
1st round pick Dennis Smith Jr
2nd round pick Monte Morris
2nd round pick Chris Boucher

Resign
Justin Holiday
Ron Baker
Miles Plumlee

Sign
Kentavious Caldwell-Pope

Trade
Knicks recieve
2018 1st round pick from Timberwolves and Cavaliers
Channing Frye
Richard Jefferson

Cavaliers recieve
Carmelo Anthony

Timberwolves recieve
Iman Shumpert

Knicks waive Richard Jefferson

Then
Knicks recieve
TJ Warren

Suns recieve
Kyle O'Quinn
Courtney Lee
Cavaliers 2018 1st round pick

Roster for 2017/18 season
Pg Smith jr/ Randle/ Morris
Sg Caldwell-Pope/ Holiday/ Baker
Sf Warren/ Thomas/ Kuzminskas
Pf Porzingis/ Frye/ Boucher
C Hernangomez/ Noah/ Plumlee

25 Mar 2017 06:04:31
KCP is a restricted FA and isn't going anywhere. I think Knicks should move Melo and i don't think Cavs could pass that up. Don't think Twolves would give up a first for Shumpert tho, it would have to be heavily protected. Suns aren't going to give up Warren that easily either. He is a solid part of their young core.

25 Mar 2017 13:15:18
Minnesota's 2018 1st goes to Atlanta and they probably wouldn't give it up for Shumpert even if they could.

25 Mar 2017 13:41:50
Neither Minnesota nor Cleveland can trade their 2018 1st round pick. Trade never could happen.

26 Mar 2017 03:57:57
Top 6 pick = Shumpert? I don't think so.

22 Mar 2017 17:21:17
Knicks trade - Porzingis and Noah

76ers trade - 2017 1st, Okafor, Saric and future 2nd

Knicks draft Dennis Smith and Isaac
Sign Dwayne Wade

76ers draft Monk (if lakers pick falls)

Smith
Wade
Melo/Isaac
Saric
Okafor

Monk
Stauskas
Simmons
Porzingis
Embiid

22 Mar 2017 21:52:27
I think its foolish for Knicks to deal Porzingis especially to get mostly young talent in return. He is probably the second best young prospect to KAT. Knicks will have a solid pick this year and should be equally as bad next year to add talent to their team. Signing Wade I don't think would be a smart move either, they'd be better suited to just move Melo.

For the 76ers it would be a wise move consolidating talent for a proven guy in Porzingis who can space the floor, protect the rim and appears destined to be a star.

23 Mar 2017 13:54:26
Porzingis is not going anywhere, it would take a kings ransom do get Zinger. Jackson is banking on a large return for Melo this summer to fill gaps, boy, will he be surprised when he gets offered less than what he was offered at the deadline.

24 Mar 2017 02:01:00
Jaw, 3rd best big prospect, behind Giannis then KAT... unless you consider Giannis no longer a prospect which would be silly considering they are all within a year of each other

24 Mar 2017 15:26:52
Or "bucks" he, like the rest of the world, considers "big man" as a player that routinely plays the 5, or at least can. Giannis is a SF, a wing man, a non bigman.

Is Butler a Big man? Leonard? Hayward? George? . nope.

Calm down. No one is doubting Giannis. Lemme guess, if someone said best pg prospect, youd also have to throw in that Giannis is a top pg prospect also?

22 Mar 2017 15:21:07
Porter 5yr 100 mil
for
Melo

Melo roots from Baltimore wizards go for it and challenge Cavs next yr. Knicks get 23 yr old who won't be a superstar like Melo. But has all better around than Melo.

Noah 6th 58th for Lin Lopez

Holiday/Lin/Randle
Lee/Holiday/Baker
Porter/Thomas/Kuzminskas
Porzingis/O'Quinn/Hicks
Lopez/Hernangomez/Plumlee

22 Mar 2017 16:25:33
Why the hell would the knicks give up melo. for a longer, similar valued contract in porter?

Porter is in his 4th year and having his best year by FAR. at 14 pts, 6 boards.

Why would the knicks possibly want to pay porter like a franchise building block? Especially for 5 years. far better off just sitting back with melo for a couple more years.

With the exception of this year, injuries and ever changing lineup, melo has consistantly made his teams much better overall year in and year out. Is he still elite superstar? no.

But sure as hell rather have him for another 2 years than 5 years of porter at about the same cost.

Not to mention, there is a decent chance melo opts out after next year to get a final, big contract.

Shizzee, you are really really a bad knicks fan. You want to get rid of a very high pick in an incredible draft, for a team that struggles to make the playoffs for a couple years at least. Why not just hold onto it, and build like a smart team?

22 Mar 2017 17:53:50
I think the Wizards would be the one to say no. Porter is a good player, and the big issue there is that he's on the upside while Melo is on the downswing. You need to find a young stud to grow with KP and the other kids the Knicks have on the team. There's a bunch of really good players in this draft, but it's still a crapshoot. I'm not sure if I would make that second move, as I'm not completely sold on Lopez, but you need to ask if getting rid of Noah's contract and picking up Lopez as a #3 guy is worth it. Lopez is young enough to work with that core you're putting together. I think I'd wait to see who's on the board and do it as a draft night deal.

22 Mar 2017 18:43:37
The Knicks would do this so fast it's not even funny. No way WAS does this.

22 Mar 2017 21:57:39
Hate the second trade for the Knicks. In the first one I don't see them being able to get better value for Melo elsewhere (Porter will get a big contract but he is relatively young, versatile, is one of the top 3pt shooters in the league) . Pairing Porzingis with a guy closer to his age is the smart move since history has proven Melo isn't taking this team anywhere.

Melo does very little for them at this point so I think they should deal him for best value they can get. Due to his no-trade clause there aren't very many teams they could trade him to so I don't think they'd be able to beat this offer. Not wanting to pay Porter is only a valid argument if you could tell me who they would give the money to otherwise.

23 Mar 2017 12:05:50
Don't see porter as a franchise cornerstone. No reason to think he will be. Good starter. No superstar. No chance I'd give him 5yrs at melo money when the Knicks could be out of Melos contract in 1 year. 2 years max.

Point is I wouldn't want to sign porter to that regardless of trading for melo. It's an over pay for a player that will likely be the third or fourth option for a team. Will not work out well in the future.

23 Mar 2017 14:21:47
Honestly, I don't see Melo getting a final BIG contract, he definitely won't get a max so he may just as well stay where he is for the final year (28m) . I will be shocked if he gets a 3 yr. guaranteed contract.

23 Mar 2017 15:33:30
Bill, I agree. But I've seen crazier things. Point is though it's only 2 years left max. And he is producing at this point and realistically the next two years far better than porter. So why make that move?

23 Mar 2017 16:28:06
Porter is no 20m/ yr. player so unless its 4 or 5 years at much less money I just don't see it happening, unless Melo pushed for it, he would have to waive that NT clause. Wizards should have done this at the trade deadline to try and get deeper in the playoffs, who knows, maybe they did. When the season ends anything is possible. If KD comes back like he was when he left GS should win. And this drives LBJ crazy, Cav's didn't make a big splash because the owner took away LBJs trading power.

Don't think Knicks would do this. But one thing for sure is Jackson will do his best to get rid of Melo. We can all agree on that.

23 Mar 2017 16:43:48
Third options will get paid 20 million in the current salary cap of the NBA. 20 million for a young guy like porter isn't crazy, it's the market.

23 Mar 2017 18:33:49
OK burger 2nd trade valid points, I agree. You can't ignore what has happened with salary cap and salary. Porter is worthy 5 yr deal 100 mil. Guys like Oladipo Parsons getting more. It's only going to get worse next yr. Porter numbers jump each yr. Better all around player than Melo right now. Wizards are win team now.

Knicks get Biyombo
Magic get Noah rights to swap 2018

Ball-2nd/ Mason-58th/ Randle
Lee/ Thornwell-47/ Baker
Porter/ Thomas/ Kuzminskas O'Quinn/ Biyombo/ Inglis
Porzingis/ Hernangomez/ Plumlee.

23 Mar 2017 19:03:15
Bmiller. absolutely false. Simple math proves differently.

This is exactly why NO will have issues.

If 20 mill is the 3rd option, reasonably 25 and 30 mill would be number 1 and 2.

That means those 3 players alone account for 75 million. And that's the issue. You can't fill out a solid deep roster with that little of money.

He simply isn't worth that amount.

24 Mar 2017 00:10:33
Good players are getting paid like great players, and that means since the cap has gone up the past 2 seasons money is being thrown about recklessly, without any thinking of past 2018. This will hurt some teams. Portland, for one, and if Cleveland doesn't win this year they're going to have to start selling pieces because they are in cap trouble for 2 more seasons and then they still can't sign a max player .


NO is in a position where I think, depending of where they're at in the standings next deadline, they could trade Boogie for much more than what they stole him for. Good move by Pels.

24 Mar 2017 02:34:31
Porter has improved his game this season. He's upped his field goal and free throw percentage and shooting 45% from three, upped his scoring, is a decent rebounder, and will get you steals and a block, he's a good defender, and he's like what 23, 24? Teams would easily give him 5 years 100 million and a team like the nets would give him a max to see if he could be a star stepping out of the stars shadows from wall and beal like the Mavericks did with Barnes (I personally think Porter is better) .

24 Mar 2017 03:32:03
Porter will be Allen Crabbe. After the big contract, his game will fall.

24 Mar 2017 15:34:49
EXACTLY what I was thinking USA. The king. a drastic diviation from your career norms in a contract year is NOT a reason to throw money at a player. Porter shows all indications of a good, not great, player. If you really think you can devote 20% of your team cap to a third, fourth or fifth option, go for it. But that's the mentality to screw yourself.

Especially when someone goes, well, Parsons got more. So what. So the knicks should make a terrible contract because another team did a similar terrible contract?

Right now, Porter is 5th on his team in scoring. Bela, Wall, Bojan, Morris, and Gortat is just behind him. HE IS THE FIFTH OPTION ON HIS TEAM. Prior to this year, his best year is 36% from 3, and it wasnt because of a lack of opportunity. This year is good, not great. And by no means an indication that you should spend that kind of money on the guy. It just simply makes no sense.

24 Mar 2017 18:01:23
I wish they would change all sports contracts to a minimum with bonuses to make more if you play good. You play like a star you'll get paid as such. You play like a slacker you get paid as one. Stop paying for what they did in the past, start paying for what they did that year. Of course that will never happen.

25 Mar 2017 18:55:53
Hamburger, I'm also a Knicks fan, and I'm going to have to disagree with you on Melo vs. Porter.

Yes, Melo is the better player today, but Washington's two best players are still young, so they can wait out the Cavs before making a serious challenge for the title. By time they have a real shot at coming out of the East, Porter will be more valuable than Melo.

I believe the best chance to move Melo is to either a desperate under performing team like the Clips, or a win now team like the Cavs.

21 Mar 2017 00:02:00
NYK / LAL

Carmelo sounds like he wouldn't mind moving to LA this summer.

NYK - Tyler Ennis, Loul Deng, Julius Randle and 2017 first round pick via HOU (Lou Williams trade), 2018 2nd pick via CHI (Jose Calderon trade)

LAL - Carmelo Anthony

21 Mar 2017 07:11:41
Carmelo may not mind moving to LA but I don't think the Lakers would want him. He doesn't fit their rebuilding youth movement and would hurt the development of the youngsters by taking touches and shots from them (nor does offense project to be their issue) . I think Lakers will keep an eye on younger stars like Westbrook and George who have both expressed interest in coming to LA and will be FA in 2018. If this interest is serious I could see the Lakers shipping off a bunch of their young assets in order to build a star-studded Laker lineup like back in the day.

21 Mar 2017 12:10:46
Agreed. If he goes la, it's the clippers. Doubt he does. But would likely be a sign and trade for griffin. No clue why the clippers would do this though.

21 Mar 2017 12:18:50
The lakers are not giving up much value here (Randle being the only real piece), so the value's reasonable. That said, the Lakers don't make this deal and hold onto assets to trade for a younger star.

Knicks make a Melo trade to start the rebuild. Deng's contract does not help that, so Knicks are probably not interested either.

20 Mar 2017 05:18:26
Suns get Melo Noah
Bucks get Knight
Knicks get Henson Bledsoe Dudley

This trade could happen bc of as result of Bledsoe 3rd injury to his knee. You add suns get getting 1st or 2nd after lottery and make sense from suns POV since they don't believe in Knight as playmaker nor defender. Knight as a Buck pg make sense they lack perimeter shooter from pg position and Freak is the point forward playmaker of the team. Melo gets a chance to with 3 Youngs stud and vet anchors, so you know he sign off on this trade even phoenix was a destination spot for him. Suns will step up as sleeper team. Knicks add what they wanted to get from Noah when they signed they get from Henson. Bledsoe plays reserve role and mentor to Fox. He might not see major minutes again. What Knicks loose in Melo offense, they gain team def. All 3 team make huge jumps next yr.

FultzorBall-1stor2nd/Ulis/Mason-58th
Booker/Hart-33rd/Barbosa
Melo/Warren/Jones
Chriss/TJones/Bender
Chandler/Noah/Williams

Fox-5th/Bledsoe/Randle
Lee/Thornwell-43rd/Baker
Dudley/Thomas/Kuzminskas
Henson/O'Quinn/Inglis
Porzingis/Hernangomez/Plumlee

Knight/Dellavedova/Briscoe-51st
Middleton/Brogdon/Vaughn
Freak/Anunoby-17/Beasley
Parker/Teletovic/Hawes
Monroe/Maker/Bradley-47th

20 Mar 2017 10:46:34
Horrible for PHX.

20 Mar 2017 10:52:22
Phil Jackson would personally drive Anthony and Noah to Arizona if the Suns front office got drunk and bit on that deal.

20 Mar 2017 11:04:10
Like I said Bledsoe require a 3rd surgery. The trade works fairly. Noah Melo > Knight Dudley. In fact suns can keep Bledsoe. Knicks can resign rose

Suns get Melo Noah
Bucks get Knight
Knicks get Dudley Henson.

20 Mar 2017 14:17:37
How. Are. You. A. Knicks. Fan?

resign rose?

Do you understand anything about basketball and have you watched a single knicks game?

20 Mar 2017 14:38:39
Look at Melo and Noah's contracts, you can't possibly tell me they have more value than Bledsoe, knight, and Dudley, especially to a young rebuilding team. By the time this young guys are ready, Melo will be 40, and Noah might be dead.

20 Mar 2017 15:59:11
Look. no one wants Melo. he doesn't want to leave NY and NY is basically stuck with him. Why mess up what PHX is supposedly trying to do with a guy like Melo and top it off with Noah? Even as wacked as Suns Mgt is these days. they'd laugh this one off.

18 Mar 2017 18:25:07
Bulls offseaon
Cut rondo sign Jeff teague 4 years deal
Let wade walk
Go for Paul milsap
Resign mcw
Trade robin Lopez more cap space maybe Knicks for Courtney lee
Trade for monta Ellis as a back up SG
Bobby portis backs up milsap sign felico 4 years 10m then draft who even best players we can take fire hoidberg sign mark Jackson as coach.

18 Mar 2017 22:18:17
The old team didn't get any younger there. Wade might not walk unless he is willing to take less money because he ain't getting anything close to $24mm elsewhere.

19 Mar 2017 01:02:18
Gar Forman is that you?

19 Mar 2017 02:06:38
Robin Lopez to the Knicks? What, so that they can have a fifth center on the roster?

19 Mar 2017 04:37:46
These moves aren't completely unrealistic and would make the Bulls a better team but wouldn't make them a contender. For this reason I think they need to first reassess what they can get for Butler. Celtics are the no-brainer option and could put together offers the Bulls couldn't decline (allegedly C's not wanting to deal Crowder is what held up the deal) . Bulls should also try teams like Nuggets, Twolves and (although I think they are a long shot) the 76ers who at least have the assets to get him. Or maybe even teams like Blazers or Wizards who may want to give up their current sg (and other pieces) for a better more rounded one.

If they aren't able to deal Butler and do a true rebuild, retooling around new FA (Rondo and Wade didn't really work out) is their best chance at being something and getting Butler to stick around once his contract expires. The Lopez trade doesn't make sense for me since it wouldn't even free up that much cash (only like 2 mill and Lee's contract is a year longer) and Bulls need a center (Lopez is a solid starter) . Millsap although getting old has a play style that ages well and is still an all-star and probably the best FA that Bulls could realistically get (Galo would be my backup choice) . Teague is also another solid player (although George Hill and Jrue Holiday are probably higher on my list than him) . If Wade picked up his option that would complicate things a bit.

19 Mar 2017 15:47:32
Bulls need to blow up the team and start over.
And not with Jackson as their coach. They need a players coach, not an idiot coach.
Trade for young players with upsides and draft picks, and Boston is the first store on their shopping list to get those.
Reinsdorf is praying that D-Wade's elbow isn't serious because Wade won't opt out if it is and that will slow the process another year.

15 Mar 2017 05:10:49
Suns get
G.Hill Porzingis Hernangomez Noah
Rockets get
Len 5yr 65mil
Knicks get
Bledsoe Beverly Chandler 3rd pick
Utah get
Knight

Jazz could not afford max deal for both Hill and Heyward

Knight/Exum/Neto
Hood/Burks/Ferguson-27th
Heyward/Johnson/Blossomgame-38
Lyles/Diaw/Bolomboy
Gobert/Favors/Withey

Suns have the team of the future

Hill/Ulis/Simmons-49th
Booker/Hart-33rd/Barbosa
Warren/Dudley/Jones
Chriss/Bender/Kaba-58th
Porzingis/Hernangomez/Noah

Rockets need active post center
Gordon/Livingston/Evans-41
Harden/Lou-Will/Booker-45
Ariza/Dekker/Williams
Andersen/Harrell/Wiltjer
Capela/Len/Anuaka

Knicks go defensive minded.
Bledsoe/Beverly/Randle
Lee/Jackson-3rd/Baker
Thomas/Batum-6th/Kuzminskas
Melo/O'Quinn/Inglis
Chandler/Plumlee/T.Bryant-47th

15 Mar 2017 05:51:21
Hill>>> Knight
Beverly>>>Len

15 Mar 2017 11:48:05
Why can't Utah afford to pay Hill and Hayward? They have both their Bird rights so cap space isn't an issue. The only thing that may likely come into play would be luxury tax but I assume they wouldn't have traded for Hill in the first place had they been fearful of this. They also could move some salaries to make way for them. Getting Knight for Hill is a significant downgrade for a team that has been in search of a pg for awhile. Hill has played very well the only issue has been nagging injuries.

Great trade for the Suns with Hill and Bledsoe being about the same, Porzingis being a proven future star, Hernangomez looks like a solid propspect, Noah's contract only a few years longer than Chandlers and Suns get out of potentially having to pay Len.

Trade is fairly bad for the Knicks. They'd be foolish to deal Porzingis as he is better than anyone they are getting in return already and nearly as young as any rookies. I don't think Knicks could ever be considered a defensive team when their best player Melo plays very little defense. Also, Phil after his experiment with Drose is unlikely to get an above average pg to run the triangle since it isn't really necessary as the point guard doesn't play a major role.

13 Mar 2017 11:09:12
Whiteside
For
Noah Porzingis Hernangomez

Heat lack frontcourt depth
Knicks lack anchor

Dragic/Johnson/McCruder
Waiters/Richarson/Ellington
Winslow/Anunoby-16/Beachem-44th
Bosh/Reed/McRoberts
Porzingis/Hernangomez/Noah


Cp3/Randle/Mason-57th
Lee/Holiday/Baker
Melo/Thomas/Kuzminskas
R.Williams-8th/O'Quinn/Inglis
Whiteside/Plumlee/Kapa-47

13 Mar 2017 14:17:19
Porzingis is the one huge bright spot on the Knicks. he's not going anywhere. he's only 21 and already a beast.

13 Mar 2017 14:27:28
No this is stupid for the Knicks. Also why would they draft a guy who would cause major spacing issues between him and Whiteside?

13 Mar 2017 17:10:40
The only way Porzingis would get traded from the Knicks is if Jackson was on his way out and wanted to stick it to Dolan. But getting Whiteside wouldn't be a bad thing, but Miami getting Noah would be. Trade is a good one by shizzee but just don't see Knicks doing it.

13 Mar 2017 22:23:07
Porzingis and Hernangomez? Porzingis is already arguably better than whiteside and he is much younger and cheaper. Doesn't make sense for Knicks to give up Porzingis for a guy in his prime like Whiteside when Knicks don't have a roster that can truly compete. I don't care that they are dumping Noah's contract since they aren't really gaining any cap space with Whitesides large contract.

13 Mar 2017 22:36:03
Williams and Whiteside def will be one which Knicks ppg avg against will guarantee them low 90s. Top of the league for yrs to come. I like Porzingis and can't Hernangomez. Can't get rid of 1 without the other. Noah is bonus. Find a pg who get 20-30 shots and points inside to their defense twin towers. Nightmare for rest of the league.

14 Mar 2017 03:03:04
Porzingis is not better than Whiteside right now, but is younger and will be better at some point (? ) . But until He averages a Double-Double for a full year I wouldn't go that far and say that much. Whiteside has done it the last 3 year plus has averaged 2.7 blks. They would have to offer Porzingis to get rid of Noah contract, they would much rather have Whitesides contract than Jokims, but I wouldn't do that, i'd rather keep PZ because as you said, Zinger is a franchise player to build around.

11 Mar 2017 01:17:29
Lakers get Wade Melo Noah 57
Bulls get Deng Shumpert 32
Knicks get Clarkson Brewer Rondo
Cavs get Mosgov

Bulls gets quality return for aging Wade and counter productive Rondo.

Payne/Grant/Canaan
Shumpert/Valentine/Hart-32nd
Butler/Deng/Zisper
Portis/Rabb-16/Felicio
Lopez/Lauvergne/fa

Cavs bring back familiar player bc they lack front court depth

Irving/D-Will/Felder
Korver/Smith/Liggens
Lebron/Jefferson/Jones
Love/Frye/D-Will
Thompson/Mosgov/Varejao

Nice mixture of quality experience and young talent

Russell/Ball/Ennis
Wade/Young/Bok-57
Melo/Ingram/MWP
Nance/Randle/Robinson
Zubac/Black/Noah

Knicks go back to defense. Clear cap space by releasing Rondo, offer Durant 4yr 160, Hayward 4yr 140 mil or Porter 4yr 120 mil per season nobody will match.

Clarkson/Randle/Mason-47th
Lee/Brewer/Baker
Durant/Thomas/Kuzminskas
O'Quinn/R.Williams-9th/Inglis
Porzingis/Hernangomez/Plumlee

11 Mar 2017 09:34:25
Doubt the Lakers do this, but it could work.
I realy like this for NY.
It's not bad for the Bulls if they keep Butler, but they would only do this if Wade doesn't use his players option to become a free agent.
No sure what to think about Cleveland, It think they can do this if NY gives them a future draft pick.

11 Mar 2017 10:34:26
If lakers get their 1st rounder this year then their 2nd rounder goes to Orlando.

12 Mar 2017 00:44:01
Salary won't work for Cavs. Mozgov makes way too much for him to be worth getting back anyway.

That is a bad move for Bulls since they are taking back Deng's contract. They'd be better off waiving Rondo (contract not fully guaranteed) and hoping Wade walks (if not his 25M expiring can be valuable asset) then using their cap space (50+M) to sign FA where they could likely get better players than Shumpert and Deng.

Don't like the moves for the Lakers. They should try to develop the youngins this next season and then depending on how that turns out go all in after 2018 FA when they could potentially add Westbrook and George.

I like the deal for Knicks. They'd be wise to deal Melo asap.

12 Mar 2017 07:41:06
HELl no from lakers we don't want that rubbish man we are building for future.

12 Mar 2017 15:59:23
Melo Wade Noah > Deng Mosgov Clarkson Brewer how ever you spin it. Rubbish man lmao. None of Lakers core of young talent is being touched. Lakers have nice young core and you add 2-3 older stars. They can compete and appeal others. None of the younger star will come until they start winning. Wade and Melo will start the la trend. Wade for 1 yr and Melo Noah for 3 yr is far. Clarkson Mosgov Deng for 3yr.

10 Mar 2017 13:10:59
Boston Celtics (what I would do)

Boston gets- Andre Drummond, 2018 2nd, 2018 DET 1st Top-8 Protected.

Detroit gets- 2019 LAC 1st, 2019 MEM 1st, Al Horford.

Thomas/Rozier/Jackson
Bradley/Smart/Young
Crowder/Brown/Green
Johnson/Jerebko/Mickey
Drummond/Olynyk/Zeller

Draft:
#1- Markelle Fultz, PG/SG (Sign)
#38- Jonathon Motley, PF (Sign)
#53- Grayson Allen, SG/SF
#57- Joel Berry, PG

Thomas/Fultz/Rozier/Jackson/Berry
Bradley/Smart/Young/Allen
Crowder/Brown/Green
Johnson/Jerebko/Motley/Mickey
Drummond/Olynyk/Zeller

10 Mar 2017 16:19:35
Why would Detroit do this?

10 Mar 2017 17:08:45
Doesn't really make sense for either team.

10 Mar 2017 17:17:33
Gasupo is right, unless Pistons got a Nets pick they wouldn't even listen to any offers. And they would not be giving draft picks back. I'm not sure if Boston would trade Horford to be honest. His character and skills are what the C's need, but he does need to start scoring more. I'm all for the C's acquiring Drummond.

10 Mar 2017 17:18:58
Horford > Drummond

10 Mar 2017 18:01:03
Drummond > horford. it's not close

If detroit traded drummond they'd need younger players and inks in return. Not the old guy.

10 Mar 2017 18:02:25
C Drummond

PF Horford

SG Butler/ Heyward

2G Smart

PG K Walker.

10 Mar 2017 03:53:50
Knicks get R.Jackson Harris Knight
Bulls get Melo Len (s&t) Bender 3rd
Suns get Butler Noah Grant
Detriot get Dudley Rondo-Release

Save money to resign Caldwell-Pope &and sign quality healthy PG
G.Hill/Ish/Udrih
KCP/Hillard/T.Ferguson-16
Johnson/Dudley/Gbinije
Leuer/Morris/Ellenson
Drummond/Baynes/Marjanovic

Suns could be dangerous playoff team

Bledsoe/Ulis/Grant
Booker/Hart-33rd/Barbosa
Butler/Warren/Jones
Chriss/Rabb-16th/Kaba-52
Chandler/Noah/Williams

Bulls have plenty of pieces to win with now and develope plenty of players for the future.

CP3/Payne/Canaan
Wade/Valentine/MCW
Melo/J.Jackson-3rd/Zipser
Portis/Bender/Felicio
Lopez/Len/Lauvergne

Knicks move Melo to get rid of Noah

Jackson/Randle/Mason-47th
Lee/Knight/Baker
Harris/Thomas/Kuzminskas
O'Quinn/R.Williams-9th/Kaba-58th
Porzingis/Hernangomez/Plumlee

10 Mar 2017 04:52:39
Detroit is getting a bad return. The Bulls return is alright but probably not quite what they are looking for and I'm not a fan of paying Len what he'll likely command in FA.

If I'm Knicks I'd be all over that return for Melo (not sure if he'd want to go to Chicago) .

10 Mar 2017 04:56:03
As much as adding Butler would be nice, Phoenix says no.

10 Mar 2017 10:52:08
I can't see the Bulls doing this.

I like Butler going to the Suns

Detroit should get the NY pick.

07 Mar 2017 23:36:02
Wolves get Lee O'Quinn Thomas
Knicks get Wade Rondo Hill
Bulls get Rubio Noah swap rights picks with ny

Wolves get great value for Rubio
Bulls get Rubio at cost of Noah but save 7.
Knicks move valuable pieces to Noah

Lavine/Dunn/Jones
Lee/Fox-7th/Hart-2nd
Wiggens/Thomas/Rush
O'Quinn/Payne/Bjelica
KAT/Dieng/Aldrich

CP3/Rondo/Randle
Wade/Bacon-18/Thornwood-57th
Melo/Kuzminskas/Early
Porzingis/Hill/Inglis
Hernangomez/Plumlee/T.Bryant-47th

Payne/Canaan/Grant
Butler/Valentine/Morrow
Porter/Tatum-8th/Zipser
Portis/Mirotic/Felicio
Lopez/Noah/Lauvergne

08 Mar 2017 02:38:24
If I'm Knicks I don't think its worth moving Noah at that price since I don't think they have a shot at getting CP3 and he is the only one who could turn them into a more serious threat. Without CP3 I think they should be focused on building around Porzingis and should use their draft pick to get a young pg in the draft (Ntilikina or Fox) .

If LaVine proved one thing its that he isn't a good point and is much better suited at sg. Fox would be a poor selection for Twolves as he is another player who isn't a threat from the perimeter and a bit redundant with Dunn's skillset. They'd be much better off going after Jonathon Issac who is a versatile forward who could play the 3 or 4 stretch the floor and provide solid defense with one of highest upsides in the draft (also bust potential but Twolves have enough talent already I think its worth the risk) .

Not sure how keen Bulls would be to take back Noah's contract especially if they decide to keep Butler. They'll have over 50mill cap space if they waive Rondo and Wade declines his player option so they could get a max player and another very good player to go with Butler. I don't think Wizards will let Porter go anywhere (he is a restricted FA) . Getting Noah and swap for Knicks pick could be the right move if they plan on moving Butler as well as they'd add another high level prospect to the mix and won't have a real need for much cap space during a rebuild.

08 Mar 2017 06:08:57
I forget Rubio yikes
Rubio/ Payne/ Canaan
Butler/ Valentine/ Grant
Batum-6th/ Bridges-11th/ Zipser
Portis/ Mirotic/ Felicio
Lopez/ Noah/ Lauvergne.

04 Mar 2017 16:09:06
Next deadline trade.

Boston drafts Fultz
Signs Hayward, Greg Monroe

Fultz plays really well and shows that he is their pg of the future. Rather than have to max a 30 year old Isaiah Thomas in the summer of 2018, Boston trades him.

Thomas/Bradley/Nets 2018 1st for Butler

Fultz/Rozier
Butler/Smart
Hayward/Crowder
Horford/Olynyk
Monroe/Zeller/Zizic

04 Mar 2017 16:28:36
Monroe and Horford would be terrible together.

04 Mar 2017 17:16:55
Monroe isn't the right type of center for Celtics and depending on whether he declines his player option or not he may not even be a FA.

I think it will be difficult for Fultz to "prove his is the pg of the future" by coming off the bench. And if they do start him over Thomas its a signal to the rest of the league they may not want Thomas anymore and his value tanks more than it already has now that he'll be in the final year of his contract. Bradley is also in the final year of his contract so I doubt Bulls would accept this offer when both Thomas and Bradley will be unrestricted FA and likely command sizable contracts on the open market from talent-deprived teams willing to overpay for two very good players.

I'm not saying Thomas and Bradley won't have any value but not sure it would be enough to get Butler.

05 Mar 2017 11:02:27
@Bpd0003
Not confronting you in any way (I actually liked your trade idea), but just out of curiosity: you are a Bulls fan, aren't you? I highly doubt any Celtics fan would consider having Zeller back next year, let alone have him playing ahead of Zizic. As a matter of fact, you won't find many Celtics fans who'd prefer to have Monroe over a defensive/ shot-blocking 5 (which Zizic may end up proving himself to be anyway) .

04 Mar 2017 11:20:47
Boston & Kings pre draft or draft day.

Draft day trade Thomas, Olynyk to Sac for WCS and McLemore and 2017 Pels pick, 2018 Kings pick.

04 Mar 2017 12:00:49
Don't think s kings own their pick next year ( i could be mistaken but I think philly owns it), plus mclemore and Olynyk cannot be traded as they are pending FAs, so the deal I should now virtually IT for WCS and the pelicans pick.
I'm a Celtic fan I'd jump on this, but I know most boston fans wouldn't, and to be honest the kings shouldn't do that trade, but hey they've done worse.

04 Mar 2017 12:49:12
The Kings own that pick, but they can't trade for it, because Philly owns the 2019 pick.

I don't like this trade for Sacramento or Boston

Sacramento should rebuilt with young players, IT is already 28, no way sacramento can convince two top free agents to join them.

I like WCS going to Boston, but not for IT. They should keep him and go over the cap or they should trade him for another all star, not young players and more draft picks.

04 Mar 2017 17:39:36
Don't really like the trade for both sides. Boston unless they can get a younger top 15 pg in a deal including Thomas or Fultz completely kills it from the start I think they should pony up the money for him and Bradley since this team has a chance to compete for a championship with one big move (that they have pieces to make) and they'd "just" be going into luxury tax. WCS wouldn't be a bad acquisition for them (and someone they should go after) but I'd give up future picks and assets that wouldn't hurt the team now and which would probably be more appealing to Kings.

Kings are the complete opposite side of the spectrum. Probably the most talent-deprived team in the league and along with the Nets have one of the worst future outlooks for next few years. It makes no sense for them to trade for IT who would probably not want to resign there (his contract expires after next season) and the only thing he'd accomplish is make it more difficult for Kings to get a top lotto pick. This offer is more than they got for Cousins with WCS an underperforming, old for his class former lotto pick (similar to Hield), the same pelicans pick, AND Kings 2018 pick which based on Kings roster is basically a lock to be top 5. Kings can't even trade this pick since they already dealt 2019 pick stupidly. Kings need to just sit tight and get pg (Fox or Ntilikina) and a forward with their picks in this years draft then get the best available player with their pick in 2018 then barring the unforseen should have a solid core with Hield, WCS/ Papagiannis/ Labissiere, Richardson and their 2 2017 picks and 2018 pick.

04 Mar 2017 04:05:40
76ers Offseason


Trade:
-76ers get Courtney Lee
-Knicks get Gerald Henderson, and own 2019, 2021 2nd rd picks back

Draft:
4- Malik Monk (Kentucky)
38- Dillon Brooks (Oregon)
39- Draft and stash

Free Agency:
-Sign James Michael McAdoo 2yr 16m
-Re-sign Tiago Splitter 1yr 6m

Lineup:
PG - Monk, McConnell, Bayless
SG - Lee, Anderson, Luwawu
SF- Simmons, Covington, Brooks
PF- Saric, McAdoo, Splitter
C- Embiid, Okafor, Holmes.

04 Mar 2017 07:08:31
I don't know if Monk can play point. Also, there is absolutely no way Splitter can play the 4.

04 Mar 2017 07:33:49
Simmons would be the primary ball handler and Monk would be second. Also Splitter would obviously never get PT unless of injuries, he's a veteran presence.

04 Mar 2017 17:48:01
Ya I wouldn't view Monk as playing point since Simmons would be the playmaker and primary ball handler as a point forward but Monk would defensively matchup against point and play off the ball primarily on offense. I think this pairing is ideal for both as it takes advantage of their strengths offensively and minimizes their potential weaknesses defensively (Monk is a bit undersized to play sg and Simmons may have trouble keeping up with the quicker guards in NBA) .

I think Monk should be third on 76ers big board behind Fultz and Ball. I like the Lee trade but not sure how eager Knicks are to just clear salary especially when Lee hasn't played poorly for them and they don't have a natural replacement.

Not a fan of McAdoo and not sure what he has done to deserve that money. I like the idea of a veteran leader like Splitter and as a hardworking veteran guy I think he'd be solid mentor especially from his time with Spurs.

03 Mar 2017 19:18:27
Knicks Offseason


Sign
PG Jrue Holiday 4 years $90 million

Trade
NYK- Brook Lopez
BRK- 7th pick, Joakim Noah

Draft
2nd (from CHI)- PG, Melo Trimble


PG- Jrue Holiday/Melo Trimble
SG- Courtney Lee/Lance Thomas
SF- Carmelo Anthony/Mindaugas Kuzminskas
PF- Kristaps Porzingis/Kyle O'Quinn
C- Brook Lopez/Willy Hernangomez

03 Mar 2017 20:41:00
Don't think you want to give injury prone Holiday that much money and 4 years.

03 Mar 2017 22:16:00
The knicks have to overpay to get free agents. They can't short change a guy and hope to land him. They're not a FA destination.

03 Mar 2017 23:40:51
Brk wants no part of Noah and his contract, they're better off just waiting a yr. and shedding Lopez's contract. Then start over and make right basketball decisions going forward.

03 Mar 2017 23:50:29
That is accurate $ on Jrue.

The Noah trade is a close call. Getting one extra year of having to pay Noah (after Lopez wiuld be done), but getting a good pick in a good draftin return. They have the cap room and sucking again next year benefits them so not the worst idea.

04 Mar 2017 00:58:26
The nets would be insane to turn that down. They're rebuilding, they need rookie deals anyway, so one bad deal really wouldn't hurt them. Getting a top 10 pick for Lopez would be a steal.

04 Mar 2017 03:59:35
I trade O'Quinn Hernangomez Plumlee 7th pick for Whiteside McRoberts or Jordan if Clippers rebuilds Griffin goes to Boston or Utah and CP3 to Pelicans or Chicago.

Melo needs an anchor. Next to Porzingis now it is dominating front court.

Sign MCW with exception

MCW/ Galloway/ Randle
Lee/ Holiday/ Baker
Melo/ Thomas/ Kuzminskas
Porzingis/ Inglis/ Hicks-2nd
Jordan/ Noah/ T. Bryant-2nd.

04 Mar 2017 04:30:30
That would be the only reason why a trade like this would go down is for that top 10 pick, Knicks would do it but Nets would never. But 23, your off a year. Noah is for 3 more years after this season @ 55.5 million vs 1 year at 22.6 million of Lopez. I'll tell you why this is not a good deal, that top 10 pick would cost the Nets 11 million a year without adding in that picks salary, because Noah is toast. Not a good business decision. Brooklyn is still paying for their 1st bad move, you expect them to do it again? I doubt it.
Raising the cap to 102m from 64m in 2 years is going to pay mediocre players like great players, absolutely absurd.

The more I think about it the more I think IT4 will get traded within the next year, because Boston will not pay him a max deal. There is not enough cap space to add a max player next year unless they let everyone walk that has no contract at the end of this season, and make a trade.

04 Mar 2017 04:57:40
You're right, I thought Noah was only 2 years after this current one. I probably decline that trade if I'm BKN in this case.

04 Mar 2017 10:26:17
Brooklyn is screwed for a few more years, they need picks, no free agents will sign there, because they're burned.

Maybe:
Knicks: b Lopez

Nets:J Noah+ 1rn pick 2018 and 2020.

04 Mar 2017 16:35:38
Knicks fans always wanna rush to make playoffs they should add some young talent to complement Porzingis not injury prone C and pg you already have that in rose and Noah and how's that working for you. This draft is loaded with pg's and forwards which could give them a much more promising future.

02 Mar 2017 22:22:36
Celtics-Nuggets-Magic (if Bkn pick lands at 2)

-Celtics get Kenneth Faried and #4 pick
Give: #2 pick
Draft Malik Monk
Lineup:
Thomas-Smart-Rozier
Bradley-Monk
Crowder-Brown
Faried-Olynyk
Horford-Johnson

-Nuggets get #2 pick
Give: #15 pick, Wilson Chandler, Emanuel Mudiay, Kenneth Faried
Draft Lonzo Ball or Fultz
Lineup:
Ball-Murray-Nelson
Harris-Free agent
Free agent-Barton
Gallinari-Hernangomez-Arthur
Jokic-Plumlee

-Magic get #15 pick, Wilson Chandler, Emanuel Mudiay
Give: #4 pick
Draft Jonathan Motley
Lineup:
Payton-Mudiay-Augustine
Fournier-Hezonja-Watson
Chandler-Ross
Gordon-Motley
Biyombo-Vucevic.

03 Mar 2017 15:35:05
Not sure it's smart for the Celtics to trade Fullz or Ball
but this would make them stronger in the short run.

It reminds me of the G Hill for K Keonard trade.
It made the Pacers better for a while, but how good would they have been with K Leonard and PG13 on the same team?

03 Mar 2017 18:21:59
I think the Celtics keep the first or second pick with Ball or Fultz because I think that both could play next to IT. They have the size to guard the 2 and can relieve some ball handling from IT.

A small ball lineup with IT, Ball, Bradley, Crowder, Horford would be really strong.

04 Mar 2017 07:52:45
Rubbish why would Magic do this get another pg who can't shoot and an older sf might as well stick with their pick and get a a pg or sf as theirs loads of decent talents in this loaded draft.

02 Mar 2017 00:20:13
Nyk - Den

Nyk gets - Mudiay and Beasley

- Gets 2 young guards to build with Porzingis

Den gets - Knicks 2017 1st, O'Quinm, and Kuzminskas

- Den needs a change a the PG i think Mudiay doesn't fit with them and hold them back. Beasley can't find minutes behind Harris and Murray

Den drafts - Ntikilia and Giles

Murray
Harris
Chandler
Faried
Jokic

Mudiay
Lee
Melo
Zingis
Noah

02 Mar 2017 15:22:21
Damn. Nicks get shafted. Mudiay is awful. And you want the Knicks to give a likely top 10 pick. A solid big man on a great contract. And a solid prospect. Just awful.

27 Feb 2017 11:03:36
This should happen on draftday

Boston: P george

Indy: Crowder+ J Brown+ I Thomas+ 1rnd pick Nets 18+ 1rnd pick Memphis 19

Boston: draft Fulzz
resign A Johnson, Olynyk

boston:
C: Zigic
PF: Horford
Sf: P George
SG: bradley
PG: Fullz
sixht: M smart

The Pacers can offer IT a Max contract because they will have many rookie contracts (J Brown, M turner, 2017 pick, 2018 pick, 2019 pick, Nets pick 2018, Memphis pick 2019. So there's a little chance he would go to another team.

27 Feb 2017 12:34:59
All that for George to go to the Lakers at the end of the season. Completely foolish!

27 Feb 2017 13:11:25
George might be worth two assets, but not 5.
And as billj says, the Celtics would have him for only a year before he bolts to the Lakers.
Now, for Butler I would up the stakes a bit and offer Bradley, Crowder and the 2018 Brooklyn No. 1.
I would then see if Portland would bite on Thomas for Lillard, and move on Hayward.
That would give you something like:

Lillard
Hayward
Butler
Horford
Zizic
---
Off the bench you could have plenty of depth -- Brown, Fultz or Ball, plus Smart.

27 Feb 2017 15:22:45
It's a lot for george, but i think he will stay when we pay him the 200 M contract, so Indy doesn't have to dump him.

PG13 would play for a contender, so i think he likes Boston.
and boston should trade IT now, he's playing like an MVP, But Boston shouldn't give him a Max contract for four years.

We would trade PG for lesser assets, but we want the 2017 pick in that case. And i think Boston rather has Fullz then IT. (I prefere J Brown+ the 2017 pick over this trade)

27 Feb 2017 22:10:26
Why would portland trade lillard for IT. If the blazers were trading lillard it would be for Jimmy Butler or Paul George.

28 Feb 2017 09:21:51
I Think IT would like to play for Portland, but Portland would want the 2018 Nets pick too, if they do that trade.

01 Mar 2017 03:49:18
IT is not a throw in player. he's a superstar right now.

27 Feb 2017 03:00:28
Boston off season:

A Johnson will be off the books.
J Jerebko will be off the books.
J Young off the books.
K Olynyk off the books.
T Zeller non guaranteed..
Salary projected to be 72 +/-..

If Golden State wins this year Is it possible Durant (opt out after this yr.) could come to Boston?
They have enough to sign him to a max deal or a possible S/T which will give them an extra yr..
Plumlee
But then you have IT4 that will get 180 million max deal after next year, as well as A Bradley...

If KD isn't in the future then Butler will be, or not..

Trade for M Plumlee..
Re-sign Jerebko.

27 Feb 2017 03:32:26
You think Durant would leave GS after one year if they win a ring? That doesn't make sense to me.

Plumlee is an RFA this offseason. and he'll be fairly expensive (4 years 75-100 million) .

27 Feb 2017 03:44:21
Also don't think it's an absolute lock that Ainge gives IT a max deal. He'll be 29 when it begins, will be making $40mm when he's 33. His size or lack thereof will become more of an issue as he ages. They are already paying Horford lots of dough on backside of his career. Think they hope to draft Fultz and see what he's made of before making that decision.

27 Feb 2017 04:26:57
Nobody knows what will happen. All I'm saying is he liked Boston and it's not impossible that he couldn't do that. He'd be the MAN in Boston
If a Durant would come to Boston IT14 would take take less to be a part of something that many players think of but can't be. A Championship, with the best team in NBA with the richest History of them all . Anything is a possibility.

27 Feb 2017 04:58:01
I think when IT4's contract expires he should only sign a 2yr max deal with Boston.

27 Feb 2017 06:05:04
He won't do a 2 yr. contract because the future salary cap will not be going the way they have the past 2 yrs. It will level out. But will he take a back loaded contract to win in the next 2 years. He'll still be good in 4 years, he's small and lean and will last longer than a much bigger player, unless of course an injury prevents that.
Drafting a Fultz or a Ball could make him dispensable. Smart was drafted as a PG but his real value is at the 2 position as he can cover anyone and can play 1-4.
Bradley I would think could be moved next year but could also resign as his injury history would make him a non max contract.
I don't see Plumlee getting 75-100. Possible but doubtful unless he signs with a bad team.
I see him maybe 50-65 max, he's under contract next season for 3.3 so he'd he could be had for one season, not to mention Denver has Nikola.

27 Feb 2017 06:08:50
Thomas would be a fool to only sign a two year deal. He needs to take all he can. With his size and style, he can't leave anything on the table.

27 Feb 2017 06:25:00
Sure there is a chance Durant signs with Boston as he was interested last summer but Its not a very likely scenario. It'll be interesting to see what Boston does with IT. He certainly is a great player and his play now dictates a large payday for him (he isn't a player that has made a ton of money over his career) but its going to be difficult committing that much money to him. I think if Boston can swing a deal for George, Butler or can sign Hayward they may just go all in for a championship and embrace the luxury tax. Otherwise, it only makes sense for them to consider letting him get his payday elsewhere and building around Fultz, Ball or Smith (depending on how their lottery goes) . They could also resign Smart instead who is younger and cheaper.

27 Feb 2017 18:04:42
He absolutely is not going through all this nonsense of last off season, to go to GS for 1 year. Win a ring, then go to Boston, which is less talented. It makes ZERO sense. First, he may have liked Boston, but he clearly liked GS more. Second, why would he decide to leave a championship team, that realistically can win another 3 or 4 championships. to go to the Celtics, which haven't gotten to the finals in about a decade and don't clearly seem to be a championship favorite with him. GS would still be better.

No one knows what the future may hold. True. But we all know durant isn't one and done in GS to go to boston. that's just nonsensical.

28 Feb 2017 03:46:00
Hamburger, like I said, you never know. Your assumption does make some sense in the fact that GS is built with option of going out and signing pieces in the near future with plenty of cap room to sign a couple of max contracts in consecutive years or make worth while trades. It's possible that KD doesn't even like his tenure in GS, after all, Green is a pain the ass.

28 Feb 2017 17:52:12
Glad to see I got the bakers dozen on unbelievable.
Now if I could only get a bakers dozen at Dunkin Donuts.

28 Feb 2017 18:23:55
No bill. like I said. you don't know. but certain things you do. He likes GS more than Boston, thus he chose it. GS is FAR better than Boston. And the dude left to win a championship. Your thought is he is going to leave after winning a championship because "ya never know" or because Green is a pain in the ass? Right.

He isn't going anywhere. Curry and Durant are GS bound. If anything, Thompson will be traded to save cap space.

 
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