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07 Feb 2016 18:57:48
A propos Kanter,
Porzingis-Kanter might be interesting pairing, they move Lopez contract; OKC bolster bench D and get 2way wing. Does NYK do it?
07 Feb 2016 19:51:04
This is interesting and because could Lopez and Adams play alongside each other also?
07 Feb 2016 19:59:05
Def not; but they have strong D centers in both units, with 2nd unit they can put Singler and Robinson at forward pos, and Payne and Waiters backcourt.
06 Feb 2016 18:29:20
Thunder offseason moves
-Trade McGary and Huestis to Knicks for O'Quinn
-Trade Kanter to Blazers for Ed Davis (Picks and other pieces probably involved) (Saves OKC money)
-Re-sign KD to whatever he wants
-Sign Joe Johnson 2yr 11m
-Sign Beno Udrih 2yr 5m
-Sign Kendrick Perkins back 1yr minimum
Westbrook/ Payne/ Udrih
Johnson/ Roberson/ Morrow
Durant/ Singler/ Layman
Ibaka/ O'Quinn/ Collison
Adams/ Davis/ Perkins.
06 Feb 2016 19:24:39
Honestly, I don't think I'd give up Davis for Kanter (especially if picks are involved) . Kanter is a poor fit in Portland. Kanter, Monroe, al Jefferson, and cousins are weird fits in today's NBA. They're low post driven centers that can't defend. This requires a PF that can protect the rim and stretch the floor. How many of those guys are there in the NBA? One (Ibaka)?
Kanter and Meyers Leonard would be the worst defensive big duo on the NBA. Kanter and plumlee would be too slow and collapse the opposing team's defense. It would kill any ability for the guards to drive the lane.
06 Feb 2016 20:07:22
Myles Turner could play the 4 and he has a shot. But I disagree about cousins defense he's not elite but atleast respectable.
06 Feb 2016 20:26:48
Remember though, the Blazers were the ones who signed Kanter to that offer sheet last offseason.
06 Feb 2016 21:07:08
Agreed with Nate, no idea why people are saying Cousins can't defend? There is zero reasoning behind that. For his CAREER, his teams have defended better when he is on the court versus off. Look it up. If you claim stats aren't everything, so be it. But to claim he can't defend is just ridiculous. He isn't the strongest rim protector, but still has averaged over 1 block per game for his career. But the place he stands out is 1.4 steals for his career. Which is great for a big man. At best, I'd say he's an average defender, but big body, quick feet, quick hands. yeah. he can defend just fine.
06 Feb 2016 21:14:06
Honestly, I think they offered Kanter the offer sheet to screw with okc, and because there was absolutely nothing else left.
Cousins COULD play good defense, but he's lazy and disinterested. He has flashes of decent defense, but he can't be trusted to protect the rim. Kanter is about the same, though I think he's more terrible at defense than lazy. (Not trying to make this another conversation about how little I care for cousins) .
06 Feb 2016 21:18:15
Cousins is actually very good on D past two, three seasons, individual numbers, and team effect, it is outdated objection that he can't defend.
But anyways, don't see why would POR do this, but also don't think OKC is actually moving Kanter.
06 Feb 2016 21:50:26
Kanter has bad footwork and instincts, if he improves has a chance to be slight below average. As good on off, that bad on D; not comparable to Boogie.
06 Feb 2016 21:52:07
Ok go take yalls talk about cousins somewhere else. He wasn't even involved in this post.
07 Feb 2016 00:28:03
No nba. Go take yalls ordering somewhere else. It's a comment board. Didn't realize we had to confirm to your guidelines of acceptable posts.
06 Feb 2016 14:38:46
Miami Heat: Jeff Teague, Arron Afflalo, Carmelo Anthony, Lou Amudson
New York Knicks: Goran Dragic, Luol Deng, Justise Winslow, Josh McRoberts, Chris Andersen
Atlanta Hawks: Jose Calderon, Cleathony Early, 2st pick (Memphis Grizzlies)
06 Feb 2016 14:54:08
why in the world would the Hawks do that stupid thing?
06 Feb 2016 15:40:12
Yeah, can't see the Knicks or he Hawks having any interest in this whatsoever. Personally, rather have Teague than dragic. Especially with the contracts.
06 Feb 2016 17:21:12
I no one believes the trade machine. but this is absolutely hysterical. Entered it all in. and wait for it
Hawks: -1.ok, not awful but oh well
Knicks: -8, ok, starting to be funny but I mean, winslow has potential, and dragic makes 15mill and has a PER of 13, versus teague that makes 8 mill and a PER of 17. But wait for it.
Heat: +10.seriously. Don't agree with say +2 or -3, so be it, but PLUS 10 and MINUS 8?!?!? Come on, at least try.
06 Feb 2016 04:41:57
Bulls trade Noah, two future second round picks
Knicks trade Afflalo, Seraphin
Noah is done for the year and is a FA and not likely to be resigned so swapping him out for Afflalo (who gives them a legit starting wing option, sorry E'Twaun Moore, who can defense and shoot the 3) helps the Bulls make a playoff push. The Knicks aren't going to the playoffs and with Afflalo becoming a FA this summer two second round picks is better than losing him for nothing.
05 Feb 2016 23:35:47
BOS/ LAC/ SAC
BOS acquire : Demarcus Cousins and Lance Stephenson
** get their center for years
LAC acquire : Rudy Gay, Jared Sullinger, BKN 1st 2016 and Marcus Smart
** solve the SF spot, a very nice pick, stretch 4 that could fit nicely with DeAndre and a young combo guard who plays very good defense
SAC acquire : Blake Griffin, Jae Crowder, David Lee (exp) and BKN 1st 2018
** How about a Rondo-Griffin tandem that would be very good
Pg Thomas/ Rozier
Sg Bradley/ Stephenson
Sf Turner/ Young/ Jerebko
Pf Olynyk/ Johnson
Ce Cousins/ Zeller
Pg Paul/ Smart/ Prigioni
Sg Redick/ Crawford/ Rivers
Sf Gay/ Johnson/ Pierce
Pf Sullinger/ Mbah Moute
Ce Jordan/ Aldrich
Pg Rondo/ Collison
Sg McLemore/ Bellineli/ Anderson
Sf Crowder/ Casspi/ Butler
Pf Griffin/ Lee/ Acy
Ce WCS/ Koufos.
06 Feb 2016 02:21:13
Celts seem to be giving up a lot, and Kings make out like bandits, but as someone who is not a fan of any of those teams I kind of like it. Don't think it's plausible based on sheer size and money involved, but like it all the same.
06 Feb 2016 03:44:00
Celtics may be giving up just slightly too much since they have to take on Lance, I'd say just change the 2018 Brooklyn 1st to a Celtics top 3 protected 2018 1st. But other than that I think it's pretty interesting and decent.
06 Feb 2016 03:49:39
That won't happen but I honestly like it for all 3 teams.
06 Feb 2016 05:01:47
Good trade bud.
06 Feb 2016 09:06:24
Clippers say no. not enough for Blake. smart would be pointless for them. sullinger is about to be a free agent. they could probably get gay without giving up blake.
06 Feb 2016 09:37:05
Agree gpack, everybody dealing so boston could have star, LAC left shorthanded here.
05 Feb 2016 23:18:44
simple deals for MIL shakeup
BOS acquire : Greg Monroe and Jerryd Bayless
MIL acquire : Marcus Smart and David Lee
MIL acquire : Robert Covington and OKC pick
PHI acquire : MCW (try to revive him)
MIL new roster
Pg Smart/ Vasquez
Sg Middleton/ Mayo/ Vaughn
Sf Giannis/ Covington
Pf Parker/ Lee
Ce Henson/ Obryant/ Plumlee
Pg Thomas/ Rozier/ Bayless
Sg Bradley/ Turner/ Hunter
Sf Crowder/ Young/ Jerebko
Pf Sullinger/ Olynyk
Ce Monroe/ Johnson/ Zeller
Pg MCW/ Smith/ Marshall
Sg Stauskas/ Tokoto
Sf Grant/ Thompson
Pf Noel/ Landry/ Holmes
Ce Okafor/ Embiid.
06 Feb 2016 03:16:57
Boston would have to throw in a pick at least.
06 Feb 2016 03:19:42
05 Feb 2016 22:37:42
Raps suns pelicans
Raps trade Patterson Johnson, Bebe, Wright and 3 first round picks
Raps get Anderson and Pj tucker
Suns trade Pj tucker, and Morris
Sun's get Patterson, Bebe a first round pick (raps) Evans
Pelicans trade Evans and Anderson
Get two first round pick NYK from raptors, and clippers, Johnson, Wright and Morris.
05 Feb 2016 18:14:36
Celtics and Kings Trade
Celtics get Cousins and Gay
Kings get Lee (exp), Crowder, Zeller (exp), Sullinger (exp), Rozier, 2016 Nets 1st and Wolves 1st (2-2nd rd picks) and Celtics 2017 1st rd pick.
Bradley/ Turner/ Hunter
Johnson/ Jerebko/ Mickey
05 Feb 2016 18:17:01
This wouldn't cut it for boogie, let alone adding gay.
05 Feb 2016 18:24:03
If Celtics want Boogie, they need Bradley, Sullinger, Olynyk, and all 3 BKN picks ('16, '17 right to swap picks, '18).
Others will need to be added to make salaries work, but that would have to be the starting point.
05 Feb 2016 19:04:37
@NLD, Crowder, Olynyk and picks would be my choice, but yes, I agree.
05 Feb 2016 14:59:25
To Knicks: Jamal Crawford (LAC), Michael Carter-Williams (MIL), Miles Plumlee (MIL)
To Milwaukee Bucks: Kyle O'Quinn (NYK), Jerian Grant (NYK)
To Minnesota Timberwolves: C. J. Wilcox (LAC), Branden Dawson (LAC), 2nd round draft pick (2019 from LAC)
To L. A. Clippers: Kevin Martin (MIN), Tayshaun Prince (MIN), Lou Amundson (NYK)
05 Feb 2016 17:01:46
I saw this trade in some news.
05 Feb 2016 13:14:13
DAL/ HOU/ NYK
DAL get Dwight Howard and Trevor Ariza
HOU get Carmelo Anthony, Jose Calderon and Robin Lopez
NYK get Ty Lawson, Sam Dekker, Chandler Parsons, DAL future 1st, DAL 2nd round pick and Zaza Pachulia
DAL get their star defensive center and will fit perfectly. They also get a hustling SF to complete their starting 5
Pg Williams/ Barea/ Felton
Sg Matthews/ Harris
Sf Ariza/ Anderson
Pf Nowitzki/ Evans/ Villanueva
Ce Howard/ Mejri
HOU get a star SF to tandem with James Harden. A matured version of Melo could fit next to Harden and hopefully build a partnership that can seriously contend. Also having a defensive center around them would be nice.
Pg Beverley/ Calderon
Sg Harden/ McDaniels/ Terry
Sf Anthony/ Brewer
Pf Jones/ Harrell
Ce Lopez/ Capela/ Moteijunas
NYK get a bunch of return for their star. It's hard to move Carmelo as he is playing very good basketball now but moving the team to a Porzingis team is not a bad idea. They would have plenty of cap next season if the 3 players they get doesn't resign
Pg Lawson/ Grant
Sg Afflalo/ Galloway/ Vujacic
Sf Parsons/ Thomas/ Dekker
Pf Porzingis/ Williams/ Oquinn
Ce Pachulia/ Seraphin.
05 Feb 2016 13:39:29
Very bad for knicks.
05 Feb 2016 14:58:14
Don't want either Lawson or Dekker, so basically the Knicks are losing Melo and Lopez for Parsons and a future 1st. No thanks.
05 Feb 2016 13:00:21
NYK get Greivis Vasquez
MIL get Kyle Oquinn.
05 Feb 2016 14:58:56
Simple and clean, nicely done.
05 Feb 2016 05:06:15
Knicks get Griffin Teague Stephenson
Clippers get Melo Splitter
Hawks get Lopez Grant
Calderon-exp for Landry Marshall
Teague/ Galloway/ Marshall
Stephenson/ Wroten/ Freddette
Durant/ Thomas/ Thanasis
Porzingis/ Landry/ Boozer
Griffin/ O'Quinn/ Hernangomez.
05 Feb 2016 10:55:02
Stop smoking that crack . Atlanta sends u to rehab. then hands up.
05 Feb 2016 00:14:23
Moose, MCW, Vaughn, Mayo
Porzingus, Lopez, Calderon, Thaisnis
MCW and Parker
Clarkson and Randle.
05 Feb 2016 06:00:48
Not enough for parker.
05 Feb 2016 07:12:26
Good lord people you act like Jabari Parker is a future MVP.
05 Feb 2016 11:35:51
He could be a future MVP maybe not but he's probably going to be a much better player than Randle or Clarkson.
05 Feb 2016 12:56:48
The Knicks are NOT giving up porzingis for Monroe. Are you insane?
05 Feb 2016 13:18:46
Only the brow is worth ny trading Porzingis, he probably be better or equal to Ewing at center barring no serious injuries.
04 Feb 2016 23:41:18
I know there are bigger, better and more interesting trade ideas with all of the trade rumors swirling around today. But as a Timberwolves fan, I've got to try to make some deal happen.
Here are a variety of Kevin Martin trade ideas. All of the trades are with teams that have either been mentioned in rumors as having interest in Kevin Martin or that could use extra scoring punch of the bench. All of the trades work as far as the salary cap is concerned (confirmed with ESPN NBA Trade Machine) . Tell me which one you think is most likely and most realistic.
Minnesota and Cleveland:
- Kevin Martin to Cleveland using their 10 million dollar trade exception (Acquired in Brendan Haywood trade) and Minnesota's 2019 second round pick (Traded to Cleveland in Tyus Jones deal) .
Minnesota and Memphis:
- Kevin Martin to Memphis for Courtney Lee and Bostons 2016 2nd round pick.
Minnesota and Dallas:
- Kevin Martin and Tayshaun Prince to Dallas for Raymond Felton, Dwight Powell and Dallas' 2017 2nd round pick.
Minnesota and Oklahoma City
- Send Kevin Martin and Tayshaun Prince to the Thunder for Steve Novak, Josh Huestis, either the Ish Smith or the Perry Jones trade exceptions and 1 or more of the Thunders 3 2016 2nd round picks: (Their own, The Hornets' and The Kings') . Also, the rights to recently drafted Kentuvky big man Dakari Johnson could be sent instead of a second round pick.
Minnesota and Los Angeles Clippers:
- Kevin Martin and Tayshuan Prince to the Clippers for Jamal Crawford, CJ Wilcox and the Brooklyn Net's 2016 second round pick.
Minnesota and Miami:
- Kevin Martin and Tayshaun Prince to Miami for Chris Andersen, Jarnell Stokes and Miami's 2018 second round pick.
Finally, if none of the above trades, or any other trade is possible, the Wolves could trade Martin to Philidelphia in a pure salary dump.
- Kevin Martin and the Houston Rockets 2016 2nd round pick (top-45 protected) to Philly for a player.
Other teams that have been rumored to have been interested, or could use Martin: Sacramento, Milwaukee, Toronto, Detroit, New York Knicks, Washington, Houston, Portland and Utah.
Obviously as you can see, I think that Kevin Martin can be a valuable piece for a team competing for a playoff spot and that needs three point shooting and scoring off the bench. I put Martins trade value as an expiring contract (simply to make the numbers work) and another young prospect and/ or second round pick. I also think that Tayshaun Prince could be a valuable piece for a playoff team as a wing defender. He has playoff experience and is still a viable defensive small forward two couples together makes sense. What Martin lacks in defense, Prince provides.
I put a lot of time into making this. So please take the time to read it and give me feedback as to which trade you think is most realistic, most likely and most logical. If you have another possible trade or a counteroffer, please comment that as well. If you think Martins value is less or more than I stated, let me know.
Finally, here's another possible trade just for fun:
Kevin Martin, Adreian Payne, the Houston Rockets 2016 second round pick (top-45 protected) and the Minnesota Timberwolves 2018 second round pick
This might be a stretch, as the Suns seem to think Morris has more trade value than he really does. However, I think Morris would fit nicely into the 'Wolves' core. Also, if the Suns are ready to blow up their roster, why would t they trade that headache for a power forward with potential: Adreian Payne and 2 second round picks.
04 Feb 2016 20:03:25
Bucks - Knicks
Knicks - Greg Monroe, MCW
Bucks - Jerian Grant, Robin Lopez, Langston Galloway, 2016 1st round pick unprotected.
04 Feb 2016 20:41:55
04 Feb 2016 21:29:40
knicks don't have a 2016 1st.
04 Feb 2016 17:07:43
One idea for the NYK, get Teague, shed Lopez contract, 3way
ATL (lot of depth, improvement in backup big)
in: williams, thomas, grant, lopez
Out: splitter, teague
in: Stephenson, Teague,
Out: lopez, williams, grant, thomas
LAC (get good rotation big man, able to cover both big position)
04 Feb 2016 18:30:28
Take out Thomas to Hawks.
04 Feb 2016 13:11:30
Magic get: Anthony, 2nd rd pick
Knicks get: Harris, Fournier, Rights to lakers 2018 first rd pick and this years 1st round pick.
04 Feb 2016 13:35:49
Too much for Melo.
04 Feb 2016 13:41:58
Hezonja and Payton instead of Fournier, and can keep Lakers pick.
04 Feb 2016 16:24:20
I find it funny to say it's too much for melo. First, the knicks aren't looking to move melo. Second, no chance he would give up his no trade for Orlando.
Third, and most importantly. no.
Harris is overpaid. He is not worth 16mill for 4 years. Youd essentially be taking out the number one offensive player in melo, for a 3rd (maybe? ) scorer. Besides, melo is as good a rebounder and a far better playmaker/ passer. Fournier is incredibly overvalued. He is a good, absolutely not great, sg. And he will be getting way too much money this offseason which the knicks aren't stupid about and understand they won't sign him.
As for the picks, the lakers pick is absolutely no. The pick will be at best, 2019 1st, and possible its just 2 seconds. Essentially, you are trading melo, for Harris, 2 seconds and a late lottery pick. Knicks pass hard on that. If they trade melo, and that's a huge huge if. they will trade him for griffin. Heck, even the celtics would offer a better package.
Even realEast's package, while better, is not appealing. You don't trade a franchise player for a bunch of role players. Just makes zero sense.
04 Feb 2016 17:01:35
If it was that easy and cheap to ger a star, BOS would have big three.
In defense of my pack, it's in case of rebuilding, you get strong and super talented core in hez, elfrid and porzingis, along with probable top10 pick, and there are some fine prospects (NYK has advantage of picking SF, PF or C, all makes sense) . At the begining of FA Payton is the oldest of the group at 21. With Harris you have whole lineup, and a lot of cap space. I'd call it a strong rebuilding start.
04 Feb 2016 17:34:52
Knicks, I'm glad you are showing support for your boy and you are 100% correct in that the knicks aren't looking to move him and Melo would no waive his no trade clause to go to Orlando. Just the fact that Melo wouldn't go to ORL makes this whole idea moot.
But for shits and giggles let's say Melo would go. The knicks should make this trade. Melo was a franchise player 4 years ago. He's 32 in a few months. Today, Melo is a nice player on the decline that will never win anything and makes $24mm/ year. This trade would greatly accelerate a Knicks rebuild by adding quality young players and draft picks. Tobias Harris is 8 years younger, still improving and makes $8mm less. Fournier is a nice player but if you don't like Fournier don't resign him, you just freed up more cap room by moving a 32 year old. Two 1sts to boot? Guess we'll agree to disagree but Melo is old, overpaid and knicks won't to anything while he's around. He's almost Kobe-esque.
04 Feb 2016 17:44:47
Hha ok 23. The point was players like Harris aren't hard to find. Melo is playing incredibly and necessary to attract stars. He turns 32 in a few months? Ok. And he turns 35 in a few years.
Fournier won't be resigned. A possible first in 3 years which can reasonably end up 2 2nds and a late lottery pick is a terrible return. Simple as that.
I still don't get the Melo declining. Do you watch him? His style of play is fine and won't decline like a wade. To say he is almost like Kobe just makes it seem like you don't watch the sports.
If the Knicks trade a superstar, they get a hefty package. Not some role players and 1 late lottery pick and a pick in 3-4 years. Just stop.
04 Feb 2016 20:03:21
It's physiology. It's science. Athletes slow down as they age. Players primes are 26-30 for a reason. Even Lebron who is still the 2nd best player in the league and a little bit younger than Melo is slowing a little bit. It just happens.
04 Feb 2016 20:34:00
It also depends how rugged player is, and Melo haven't been sweating too much through out his career, not putting max effort on D, and rarely making deep playoff run (LeBron is exactly opposite) . Up to last year he hasn't been seriously injured.
Another important thing, Melo's game depends mostly on his technique, not physicality, and that's part of the reason why he would age better than LeBron. Also, Melo really expanded his game this season, so he might have another two or even three very good seasons in him. (too bad he hasn't played like this earlier) .
04 Feb 2016 20:57:05
The fact that Melo hasn't tried or made the playoffs throughout his career might have saved his body a little bit but it certainly isn't helping the argument that Knicks shouldn't do this trade. He's actually passing sometimes and playing some D at 31 and we buy that huh? Like a born-again Christian or something.
Disagree on the physicality argument. Melo's post-game is very physical and he's back to the basket a lot.
04 Feb 2016 21:42:13
LOL. seriously 23. Watch him play at some point.
Dirk, a jumpshooting, forward, similar athleticism involved. still incredible to age 35.
Karl Malone, post up forward, BEST til 39. Oh but wait, he was a post game.
Your argument is laughable. Physiology shows that the prime is 26-30. Look at lebron, he's slowing.
Lebron is a PHYSICAL player. hard drives to the basket.
His post game is super physical? I couldn't tell if that was a joke or not. But yeah, clearly you don't understand what we meant. AKA, he isn't jumping dashing colliding. AKA, not physical as in damaging the body and joints.
Heres the physiology, or science. Melo has been consistent. he's rebounding better and passing better than ever before. There has been no decline in production minus shooting less. I get it, you are a sports physician and educating us on the only possible prime of a player, after which, they all collapse, because that's how it is. That a player who shoots jumpshots has the same obvious prime as a guard who recklessly crashes in the lane. but yeah, knicks are really fine with their superstar and have no interest in that junk deal.
RealEAst. all valid and good points.
03 Feb 2016 20:55:34
Tucker and Morris
Patterson, Johnson, Bennett, Tor 1st and Tor 1st (from NYK)
Tor gets more depth
Phx will have 4 1st rd picks for the next draft.
03 Feb 2016 21:33:12
No chance Raptors give up 2 1st's for Morris/ Tucker, More likely a package with Patterson/ LAC 2017 pick and a couple of younger guys (Bebe, Wright, Bennett), maybe Ronnie Price goes the other way as well.
03 Feb 2016 22:11:51
Toronto giving way too much.
03 Feb 2016 20:11:25
New York Knicks
Main thing I would do if I was Phil Jackson is swallow my pride and fire Derrick Fisher sorry but he don't run any plays so young guys like Jerian Grant are struggling. Knicks need a experienced coach running the team and youngsters. I still believe Grant can be the Knicks future at the point for the Knicks and has shown he could be he just needs a coach to help him better then Fisher is.
Trade Calderon for a 2nd round pick
Sign Tony Wroten and Jimmer Fredette
Give Grant the rest of the season as a starter and a better coach
Pg Grant/ Wroten/ Fredette
Sg Afflalo/ Galloway/ Vujacic
Sf Anthony/ Thomas/ Early
Pf Porzingis/ Williams/ Amundson
C Lopez/ O'Quinn/ Seraphin.
02 Feb 2016 18:24:32
LAC: D Carroll, P Patterson, A Bennett, '16 1st (via NYK, better of NYK and DEN pick)
TOR: B Griffin
PF: Griffin (back for playoffs)
02 Feb 2016 18:44:02
TOR should add their own '16 1st rd pick also.
02 Feb 2016 18:57:38
Not enough for Griffin.
02 Feb 2016 19:03:25
Thats a pretty crappy return for a stud PF in his prime. Carroll and Patterson are rather average at best this year. But Carroll is paid way more than average. Bennett is utterly worthless. And you give also the knicks pick, which is fringe lottery, and the raptors pick, which is likely late 20s.
This is really really awful.
02 Feb 2016 20:29:12
Great trade for the raptors lol.