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20 Oct 2017 08:19:14
Boston: M Gasol
Memphis: G Hayward+ return Memphis pick.
Horford is aging, so should boston go all in now? Trading an injuyred Hayward for a center that fits the system.
Memphis could do thit, they get the pick back and start tanking in a loaded Western conference. If Hayward recovers, they get an all star and they have no problem absorbing the contract when they're rebuilding
1.) 20 Oct 2017 12:52:36
It's not a bad idea for Memphis, but basketball aside, nobody would ever sign with Boston again if they pulled this. Moving IT shows that nobody is sacred in the quest for 18.Moving Hayward would just be cruel.
2.) 20 Oct 2017 13:16:18
Haywood is not going anywhere.
3.) 20 Oct 2017 13:40:03
@supercollider, do you agree, Boston should go all in now or trade Horford?
Boston can't beat cleveland without Hayward and they need a center.
4.) 20 Oct 2017 14:03:08
I don't think Boston needs to go all in now at all. They have two young studs in Brown and Tatum, and a young star in Kyrie. That's a core you can build around, and if the Lakers pick comes through this season, they'll likely have a big man prospect to add to that core. They basically have the Philly "process" construct while also having guys like Horford and Hayward to star now and top role players like Smart and Rozier. This group is poised to be competitive for the next ten to fifteen years, so they shouldn't blow too much up to try to win it all once.
5.) 20 Oct 2017 14:04:09
That seems like a lot of for a center that doesn't really fit with the rest of the team's timeline. Challenging the Cavs this year was always a long shot. Now that Hayward is out, in my opinion, they should trade Horford for assets and contracts that would help them get a young big man sometime in the next year and a half. Loading up to make a run next year and for the foreseeable future makes the most sense. Why rush now and potentially give up assets that could actually win them a title down the line rather than assets that might get them back to the ECFs this year.
6.) 20 Oct 2017 17:31:47
Makes no sense to trade Horford now. He is invaluable to the team, especially after Haywards injury. He still fits their timeline. He will help them be competitive now and will help them until the kids, Brown, Tatum and whoever else is ready. Who knows, maybe they catch lightning in a bottle and win something.
The last thing they need is moRe future picks.
7.) 20 Oct 2017 18:51:07
Boston is done dealing, except maybe moving Smart at the deadline if he has a bad year and won't give a hometown discount on the next contract. It's all about developing the kids, getting on the same page and re-signing Irving a year from now.
Gasol? Maybe a year from now when he's on the decline and can be had for pennies on the buck.
8.) 20 Oct 2017 21:39:14
Yeah celtics won't trade Hayward and horford would only be traded along with assets for a young gun just have to take the Hayward injury on the chin.
17 Oct 2017 18:02:09
Cle: McCollum+ Porzingis
Port: K Love+ I Thomas
NY: Z Collins+Zizic+ 1rnd pick Nets+ 1rnd pick Portland+ 1rnd pick Cle 2020
Cle:
C:Porzingis/ T Thompson
PF: LBJ/Frye
SF:Crowder/ Osman
SG: D wade/ K Korver
PG: McCollum/ D Rose
Portland:
C Nurkic
PF: K Love
Sf: Harkless
Sg:Turner
Pg: D Lillard
Sixth: IT
NY can start a rebuilt (real tanking without Porzingis) they will have two high lottery picks so they could draft Doncic and Porter in next year's draft.
1.) 17 Oct 2017 20:56:45
Cleveland getting way too much.
2.) 17 Oct 2017 23:05:58
Why does Portland do this?
3.) 18 Oct 2017 00:06:08
Cleveland is getting to much, but i think this trade would make Portland a better team. The combo K Love+ Nurkic would be great. And IT could be an awesome sixth man in that team.
And NY should go for a total rebuilt. They would win 35-40 games with Porzingis, so they can't draft a great player and they can't sign a bigg free agent. This could make Porzingis unhappy. Trading him for the Nets pick, gives their own pick more value.
Tanking is the best way to create a superteam. They could end up with the two top picks and draft Porter and Doncic. And they could draft Barret the year after.
This could be a contender by 2023
C: Collins
PF: Zigic
SF :Porter
SG: Barret
PG: Doncic.
4.) 18 Oct 2017 00:44:12
I hate it for Portland. You can’t bring Thomas off the bench, but Lillard and Thomas would be a train wreck defensively. I think I’d rather go for porzingis if I’m Portland, offering McCollum, Collins, and a pick.
5.) 18 Oct 2017 08:27:03
@BMiller
The Knicks should go for a rebuilt, not trade a young star for an older star.
6.) 18 Oct 2017 10:13:27
CJ is 26, which I would not consider old. Throw in Collins and a 1st, and I would not mind moving Zinger for that.
Kris is obviously not going to be a bust, but I'm not sold on him taking the next step towards Super Stardom. I'm not a fan of his "opportunistic" defense (block or bust) and I'm a kitten concerned with his overall drive to continue his improvement. I hope I'm wrong, and I very much may be proven to be, but it would not shock me if he spends his career putting up 18, 8 and two block stat lines while making just one or two all-star games.
7.) 18 Oct 2017 12:01:14
comme on Triangle.
McCollum is 26, they already have Ntilikina.
They would still win 35-40 games
They still can't sign another big free agent and they still stay mediocre.
If NY trades Porzingis, it should be for younger players and draft picks.
It's the only way to create a superteam and become a contender.
8.) 18 Oct 2017 16:11:01
I agree Gusapo, if I’m the Knicks I go young, gets picks, and build through the draft. The problem is that Nolan is the lease patient owner in the NBA. A move like this would be typical Knicks.
In retrospect, I also probably wouldn’t pay that high of a price for Porzingis that I said. I think he and McCollum are very similar overall.
9.) 18 Oct 2017 16:18:11
26 is young Gasupo, and McCollum is not a PG.
10.) 18 Oct 2017 16:57:46
im a fan of por moving mccollum if you can improve the team, but IT is not the guy to do it for. i see no way him and dame can work in an offense together (and let's not even get into defense)
i would need a top level wing to move cj.
on paper the cavs are getting a steal here, but i'd hesitate to shake up the team this much, especially if u need to speed up porzingis star development on a contender. and i think wade and jr are just fine for their 2 rotation.
11.) 18 Oct 2017 19:35:03
Disagree that McCollum isn’t a PG. He’s probably more natural at point, even if he doesn’t have amazing passing skills, defensively he is much better at point. And in Cleveland, he wouldn’t be the main ball handler anyway, Lebron would be. he'd be a perfect fit at point on that team.
12.) 19 Oct 2017 09:10:23
26 isn't young for a rebuilding team.
McCollum is the perfect pointguard for Cleveland.
The only team that should hesitate is Portland. Giving up the pick.
The reason they do this, is K Love, not IT
the trio K Love-Nurkic- D Lillard could make the western finals. IT is jus a bonus, he's hurt for the moment. So everyting he does is extra. He could become a good sixth man, playing against lesser players. And Lillard can rest enough, because they have a great second pointguard, that can score.
16 Oct 2017 17:03:02
The Thunder traded J Harden to Houston for Lamb+ Martin+ 1rnd pick (Adams)
Two other teams had a chance
Toronto offered Valaciunas+T Ross, but they thought Valanciunas would have a higher sealing.
Imagine:
C: A Johnson
PF: Bargnani
SF: Derozan
Sg: Harden
PG:Lowry
The other team was Washington, they offered Beal and Singleton
What do you guys think would have been the best trade?
1.) 16 Oct 2017 17:13:51
beal might have made a huge difference in kd staying in okc.
2.) 16 Oct 2017 18:33:58
If not trading isn't an option, Beal. It's hard to judge in retrospect though. Lamb looked like a potentially solid player with upside and Martin was coming off a huge year.
3.) 16 Oct 2017 18:50:54
On the surface i think the Washington offer was best. There is no way to know what impact those offers would have made on future moves though.
4.) 20 Oct 2017 13:47:56
It wound up that Beal may have been the big get, but I think Houston was still the best package. When you take health into consideration, I think Adams is the best piece of all of those players. They also got Martin, who at that point was a really good scorer if nothing else, Lamb, who was another interesting kid, the #32 back after it took an interesting tour through half the league where they took Abrines (meh) and a future 1st where they took Mitch McGary.
A scorer, a young talent in Lamb, and three chances at another good player (in the form of #s 12, 21 and 32) for a guy they didn't think they could keep is probably the best of the bunch. I'd really have to know what else was coming with Beal/ Singleton or Val/ Ross to determine what was better, but that's not likely to ever come out.
16 Oct 2017 08:58:17
Miami: A Horford+ 1rnd pick clippers and Vancouver
Boston: H Whiteside
I really like Horford and he's a great player for Boston, but they need a defensive center. And they can't take another big contract unless they trade Horford, who's 31 years old, so they should trade him before he becomes a bad contract. They should try to get Gobert first, but Whiteside is a good second if that fails.
The Heat do this, because Dragic and Horford would be a good combo next year that will make the playoffs and they receive two draft picks, so they can develop some young talents and hit the free agent market in 2020
This Boston team could challenge Cleveland and Golden State
Boston:
C: Whiteside/ Ojeleye
PF: Morris/ Yabusele
SF: Hayward/ Tatum
SG: Smart/ Brown
PG: Irving/ Rozier
1.) 16 Oct 2017 12:39:42
Vancouver? Memphis moving home?
Don't hate the deal, Boston could use a more traditional Center while Miami is weak at the four. I think the C's will leave it alone for now though.
2.) 16 Oct 2017 13:35:38
damn i'm living in the 90's again :-)
3.) 16 Oct 2017 13:47:27
The Celtics would have two all nba players, a defensive center, that's a borderline all star. Two young talents on the bench, that could make the difference, when the stars are resting. And smart is playing for a bigg contract.
And they keep the Lakers pick, so they could draft an extra asset next year. (The Memphis pick is top 7 protected and the Clippers pick is lottery protected, so it's not a big lose) .
Horford is important, but they lost J Crowder and A Bradley.
The Celtics would have no proplem scoring. Irving and Hayward can both score and pass the ball, so horford's passing skills and 3-point shot would be less important (And Cleveland couldn't beat GS with Love, so Horford would propaply fail too against GS's system. )
You can't win a chamionship withoud defense.
Whiteside is a great rimprotector, so i believe he's the missing link for Boston.
4.) 16 Oct 2017 15:01:51
Gasupo, I'm not sure how you can put the finals loss on Love. He played reasonably well. The Cavs were just out manned. Guarding Curry and Durant, while not being able to come off Thompson is almost impossible even with great perimeter defenders. The Cavs had mediocre perimeter defenders at best. Not to mention that the Warriors defense is really good and they had the personnel to hold the Cavs shooters in check some what.
5.) 16 Oct 2017 15:50:14
I don't blame K Love for the loss, but he couldn't make the difference.
K Love or Horford can't hurt Golden state, because D Green will get his rebounds and he will get his passes to Curry, durant And Thompson. Every rebound Whiteside gets is a rebound Green can't pass to KD, Curry or Thompson.
6.) 16 Oct 2017 15:58:01
Hayward can guard Thompson
Irving can guard Curry
And Smart can guard Durant
Whiteside can guard D Green
Smart can't shoot, so KD, curry, Thompson can also guard Irving, Morris and Hayward.
They have an equal starting five on defence and offence
J Brown could guard Iguodala, so Boston would have a chance if Tatum and J Brown both develop offensive skills.
7.) 16 Oct 2017 16:18:16
Irving can't guard Curry, Durant probably has 9 inches on Smart, and Whiteside would struggle guarding Green on the perimeter and guarding Green would keep him away from the basket most of the time which is where he's most effective.
8.) 16 Oct 2017 16:20:54
Also, look at Love's rebounding in the finals. He and Lebron probably had 2/ 3s of the Cavs rebounds.
9.) 16 Oct 2017 17:21:36
id be happy with this return as miami. i think whiteside has pretty much hit his ceiling so miami should take this offer while his value is high. its hard to tell what miami’s franchise goals are rn, but the two picks are quite useful and horford is a great addition skills and leadership-wise. and i agree with op, a defensive big is boston’s biggest hole, and whiteside is a great B-option if gobert is out of reach.
10.) 20 Oct 2017 13:56:28
I understand Whiteside has a solid skill set that the Celtics are lacking, but he's a horrible fit for them on the offensive side. The way Stevens runs his system is with ball movement and spacing. Whiteside is the absolute antithesis of this philosophy. He has no range at all, and is a bigger ball stopper than any of the ball hogs in the league.
15 Oct 2017 08:47:56
NY: Ingram+ Tatum+ Deng+ swap option LA pick+La pick 2020
Boston: Porzingis+ O'quin
LA: Monroe+ Kuzninskas+ Payton+ return LA Pick
Bucks: Clarckson+ C Lee
NY is going to win 35-40 games with Porzingis, so they can't tank and draft a second star. So they trade him for 2 young talents on a rookie contract for a few years. And they get a swap option with the LA pick, so they have a good chance drafting a third good young player.
Boston needs an extra big to beat Cleveland.Tatum could be a star, but Porzingis is a proven star, so giving up Tatum+ a good draft pick is fair.
LA wouldn't give up Ingram in a Deng trade, but they get a good draft pick in return (their own or the NY pick). So LA could go all in in free agency and they have a draft pick they can use to get an extra asset.
I don't think Milwaukee could atract a good free agent, so Clarckson and C Lee are two good roll players on a good contract
1.) 15 Oct 2017 15:10:50
Boston doesn't own the LA pick outright. They get the la pick next year only if it falls between #2-5. If La pick is outside #2-5, boston then gets the kings 2019 #1 (with #1 overall pick protection. If the kings pick happens to be the top overall pick, then boston gets the sixers 2019 #1 instead. ) . With 4 or 5 really big talents in the 2018 draft, it makes this pick a lot less desirable on the trade market.
2.) 15 Oct 2017 15:20:40
IMO, I think with the additions of Lopez at center, KCP at sg, Ball at the point, and ingram, randle, and nance all improving the Laker pick has a great chance landing in that 7- 14 range. Would you roll the dice on the kings 2019 pick (who knows what that draft class will look like and what the kings will do) and lose Porzingis. I wouldnt.
3.) 15 Oct 2017 17:34:46
Losing their own pick would make them worse, so they can draft doncic or Porter
Porter+ Ingram+ Tatum+ 2020 LA pick is a great return for NY, so i would gamble on this one.
4.) 15 Oct 2017 18:53:48
Not sure I follow your logic about "La losing their pick so it will make them worse" statement. They drafted ball this year, they will play the season, then lose their pick. It can't possibly make them worse this year and increase the chances of getting doncic or porter. Am i missing something here Gasupo?
5.) 16 Oct 2017 04:27:52
I don't think Boston would want the Zinger, O'Quinn maybe.
Giving up Tatum and a pick for KP would only hurt the C's in the long run, that kid will always have back problems
My guess is they'll wait to see how the Pels are doing and if they can trade for Boogie at the TD they'd be happy. But don't think they'd trade Tatum, my guess would be they would trade Brown instead in any deal.
6.) 16 Oct 2017 09:18:13
@Jvoug, i ment losing Porzingis would make NY worse, so they get a higher draft pick.
7.) 16 Oct 2017 17:32:12
@billj boston definitely wants the zinger.
8.) 16 Oct 2017 19:28:42
Sorry Gasupo. I miss understood. Makes sense now. Knicks without porzingis would be a definite top 3pick.
9.) 17 Oct 2017 01:23:27
I really don't think they want him, if they did he'd be on the team now. KP had back problems last year and for that reason I think that's why this trade wouldn't and didn't happen. This year, or the off season they need to get a true big and I think Boogie could be that player. Who knows, they could throw Fort Knox at NOLA for AD, because that's what it would take to get him.
20 Oct 2017 13:40:03
@supercollider, do you agree, Boston should go all in now or trade Horford?
Boston can't beat cleveland without Hayward and they need a center.
19 Oct 2017 09:10:23
26 isn't young for a rebuilding team.
McCollum is the perfect pointguard for Cleveland.
The only team that should hesitate is Portland. Giving up the pick.
The reason they do this, is K Love, not IT
the trio K Love-Nurkic- D Lillard could make the western finals. IT is jus a bonus, he's hurt for the moment. So everyting he does is extra. He could become a good sixth man, playing against lesser players. And Lillard can rest enough, because they have a great second pointguard, that can score.
19 Oct 2017 09:02:27
that would propably a good move.
But no way NO does this.
18 Oct 2017 12:01:14
comme on Triangle.
McCollum is 26, they already have Ntilikina.
They would still win 35-40 games
They still can't sign another big free agent and they still stay mediocre.
If NY trades Porzingis, it should be for younger players and draft picks.
It's the only way to create a superteam and become a contender.
18 Oct 2017 08:27:03
@BMiller
The Knicks should go for a rebuilt, not trade a young star for an older star.