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31 Jan 2016 22:24:29
Orlando - OKC
Fournier and Marble (waive) for Novak (exp) and '18th 1st rp
After their recent slump, guessing that Orlando should stop dreaming about playoff and switch to development mode. Fournier is RFA this summer and I don't feel like they should match expected 10+M offer with Oladipo and Hezonja waiting in line so trading him right now to provide more minutes (and even more important more offensive shares) for Hezonja and Gordon so solve some questions floating around those two before end of the season. And considering that Durant, Westbrook and Ibaka are going into FA during next two summers, that '18th pick could actually become very interesting asset.
Acquiring Fournier could be a step closer for OKC to Warriors and Spurs, making him best two way SG on the team who is also able to provide some minutes after KD at SF. Not sure if they would insist on some protection of the pick but in that case Orlando would easily find better offer for Fournier elsewhere.
Marble and Novak are just fillers to make salaries work.
1.) 31 Jan 2016 23:48:16
Useless, OKC won't even be able to re-sign Fournier in offseason.
2.) 01 Feb 2016 02:15:36
First of all, the point for OKC with such a trade is obviously in making as strong ring push as possible in KDs contract year as this could be their last chance for a while. Also, if they are ready to pay some (huge) tax, resigning Fournier shouldn't be a problem considering they can always use Bird rights to resign Durantula after. they should be at 67M (assuming they will let Augustin and Morrow walk when free agency starts) . With the estimated cap at 85M, they can muatch up to 18M for Fournier (which should be more then enough) or any other free agent (s) in case they are better pickups in free agency in same money range and still be able to resign KD for max.
3.) 01 Feb 2016 12:58:19
The point is they wouldn't do that because he is t worth that much.
16 Jan 2016 15:49:05
Cousins, Rondo (exp) and C. Butler for Peyton, Gordon, Hezonja, Frye and J. Smith (exp)
Kings getting some nice pieces to rebuild around. Also, entering tank mode should assure they are going to keep their pick this year (top 10 protected), probably falling in 6th-8th area. Still having some pieces (Gay, Koufus, Bellineli) who could be used for acquiring some more talents/ picks in separate trade (s) .
WCS/ Koufus
Gordon/ Frye
Gay/ Hezonja
McLemore/ Bellineli
Peyton/ Collison
Not sure how much is this smart for Orlando in longterm but as they are obviously in win mode now which is imo hurting development of their recent 1st round picks, this could make them a legitimate candidate for #2 team in East and they get their superstar.
Vucevic/ Dedmon
Cousins/ Nicholson
Harris/ Butler
Fournier/ Oladipo
Rondo/ Watson.
1.) 16 Jan 2016 17:01:46
Terrible for Orlando.
2.) 16 Jan 2016 17:05:11
I wouldn't give up everything the magic have built for a head case that would probably be unhappy and walk in a couple of years.
3.) 16 Jan 2016 17:15:06
I agree with You BHC and I would never do that in Hennigans place, but I'm afraid that those three guys (Elf, AG, Hezonja) could reach their full potential only if they move from Skiles and Orlando would actually get what they are looking for (being somewhat competitive right now rather than building a possible contender squad in 2 or 3 seasons) .
4.) 16 Jan 2016 17:22:19
Vuc and Boogie can't play together.
5.) 17 Jan 2016 02:45:03
They both can hit midrange and working on threes how can't they play together? Are they to small?
6.) 17 Jan 2016 12:54:05
They are too big, not mobile enough to play together, can't defend well together, especially smaller lineups (just look SAC when Cousins play with Koufos, or even Cauley Stein), would clog paint on offense, or be inefficient, etc.
02 Dec 2015 09:25:54
this is more for discussion than a straight forward trade idea because magic team is on a pretty unexpected route for me this season, playing above expectation and having lots of players with nice trade value for which they can't provide enough minutes atm.
with current situation, guessing that trading Hezonja while there is still some hype around him should be most logical choice since playing a 5th pick draft for less then 5 minutes per game just doesn't make sense. Maybe adding another top prospect (Gordon) and decent starter (Vooch or Harris) with some draft picks could be enough to land a superstar (Boogie or PG13) but that's a long shot. Hezonja + Frye for decent SG or SF who can help immediately seems like more logical choice to me.
Still, I prefer idea of few trades which still would make them a PO contender this season and leave them on a road for bigger things for years to come.
Orlando receive Noel
Philly receive Oladipo
I just can't see Oladipo/Payton as a great fit and Noel could be perfect fit for Skiles' system. Philly is all about losing this year and Oladipo could flourish there in a primary ballhander role. With addition of Saric, hopefully Embiid and adding a SF from the next draft (Simmons or at least Ingram if lottery wouldn't go as planned), Okafor (Embiid) -Saric (Okafor) -Simmons (Ingram) -Oladipo could finally look like a decent base for rebuild.
Orlando receive Middleton
Milwaukee receive Vucevic and 1 round draft pick
Not so sure about Bucks accepting this but after a disappointing start guessing they could consider shaking up their team a bit. This would allow them more time with Monroe at PF and Parker at SF which are better suited roles for both of them imo and Vooch should be DD machine in that team.
Orlando lineup:
Noel/Dedmon/Frye
Harris/Gordon/Nicholson
Middleton/Hezonja/Gordon
Fournier/Hezonja/Watson
Payton/Shabbaz/Watson
still a very deep team with great defensive potential, more shooting and more playing time for Gordon and Hezonja. Just imagine adding Whiteside to this core in free agency, thus making Harris completely expendable. Probably Top 5 team in East next season with more room for progression and enough cap flexibility to make move toward becoming title contenders during summer of 2017.
1.) 02 Dec 2015 10:11:47
Bucks trade is not fair. Vooch is way more valuable IMO.
2.) 02 Dec 2015 13:56:40
I think you make a lot of sense. Magic are getting closer but they do lack minutes for key player and I agree olidipo and Payton don't mix well. Meanwhile Noel might be perfect there and not in philly where he could have to Clem of the bench since he doesn't seem to mix well yet with okafor.
Seems like a win win there. Idk about the Bucks trade but this Sixers trade makes sense.
3.) 02 Dec 2015 14:54:23
Oladipo and Payton play very well together. If Orlando traded one of them, it would be Payton not Oladipo.
Vucevic is worth way more than Middleton. Orlando won't trade him.
So, Orlando say no to trade #1 and says hell no to trade #2.
4.) 02 Dec 2015 15:17:45
Yeah, I also think that Oladipo has far more potential than Noel. Oladipo really seems like potential to be a 2-way threat and a potential franchise player.
Middleton isn't bad at all, the issue is though, if Vucevic is gone, they don't have a solid replacement at center. This trade owuld only make sense if the first one is done, but the 1st makes no sense for Orlando, they don't get a good return for Oladipo.
5.) 02 Dec 2015 17:14:01
I agree Pizza, making just one of those trades doesn't make sense at all.
Still, I think that some people are to much oriented on numbers when evaluating trade value without taking bigger picture into account. With Skiles focusing on strong defense and structured attack I still think that value is far for Orlando, if Henny could add some picks in the process based sorely on pure trade value of those players that would be even better of course.
Speaking about Oladipo, i'm afraid his offensive game is never going to be near top lvl. His outside scoring is mediocre at the best, he can't finish at the rim with consistency and he can't draw enough fouls. His offensive numbers are coming mostly from volume of shoots he is taking. The guy is shooting 26% from 3p and 37% overall this season which is horrible. Surely, his defense is already great but I still think Hezonja has better potential overall and side effect of this trade is buying more play time for Hezonja who just can get into rotation atm. if Hezonja would be at Philly atm, I'm guessing most people would see Noel and Hezonja for Oladipo as a nice return for Orlando and that is basically a case here.
Despite showing some improvements this season, I think Vooch defense is still far from average and see him only as a great fantasy player but with little upside when speaking about 5 vs 5 basketball. On the other hand, Middleton is just the opposite, the invisible guy who can do much great things when he is allowed to step up. The guy who can play solid defense (definitely not as good as oladipo but Middleton + Noel would still be overall improvement in that area over Oladipo + Vooch), shoot 40+% from downtown and be more suitable for structured offense.
He can fill both 2 and 3 positions, play solid defense (definitelly not as good as oladipo but Middleton + Noel are still better then Oladipo + Vooch in that area), shooting 40%+ from downtown.
And most important of all since I've started this mostly for discussion, what moves Orlando should try to male in Your opinion? Because some players there obviously can't get enough playing minutes to reflect their (trading) value atm.
10 Jul 2015 08:46:05
With that max offer sheet signed by Kanter, I'm guessing that only win situation for OKC would be trying to S&T and getting at least something in return. I just can't see them paying 17.5M per year for a player who is not even a clear starting option for them and would give them cap headaches in the future and on other hand not making everything possible to win a title this year could have huge impact on KD's decision next summer.
OKC trade Kanter S&T, Waiters, Novak
OKC receive K. Martin, Budinger
OKC sign Javale for vet min or MLE (1+1 team option)
Portland trade Leonard, Vonleh
Portland receive Kanter S&T, Novak
Minnesota trade K. Martin, Budinger
Minnesota receive Leonard, Vonleh, Waiters
I know it's a long shot but guessing that all teams would have some benefits from this trade:
- OKC improving at starting SG and SF backup, having more PT for Adams (which I actually rate over and find as better fit than Kanter), and keeping at least some cap flexibility for years to come
- if they really see Kanter as a max player Portland should accept (despite I think they went nuts with that offer sheet and not really sure what are their plans for the future now since they are clear loosers of this off-season imo)
- Minessota gets three usable pieces who should fit into their young core and give them some depth, getting rid of two pieces they are apparently trying to sell anyway
C Adams, McGee, Collison
PF Ibaka, Mcgary
SF KD, Budinger, PJ
SG K Mart, Morrow, Robertson
PG Westbrook, Augustin, Payne
not as deep as SAS but I can see them as conteders without injury issues
1.) 10 Jul 2015 12:51:51
Another genious -blazers know they are over paying for Kanter, so don't loose other in the process. Either okc matches it. Or says byby
2.) 10 Jul 2015 13:35:57
Why would Portland trade both of their young talented PFs for a guy they can get for nothing? I just don't see Portland helping okc. And unless okc is throwing in draft picks they are stuck with Novak.
3.) 10 Jul 2015 14:16:20
so basically, You think that Portland made that offer just because they have to much money to spend (for the next 4 years) and now are actually hoping that OKC is going to match? Not like Vonleh and Leonard are key players in their plans and I'm quite sure they actually want Kanter pretty hard, probably hoping that Lillard-Kanter P&R could make wonders at the offensive end.
Like I've said, it's a long short (not sure if OKC would accept that trade too) but it seems like Portland doesn't have intention to tank and their options are extremely limited atm.
4.) 10 Jul 2015 20:06:35
Except vonleh and Leonard are the future at PF for Portland. I disagree with everything you just said. Portland wants Kanter, but not for two talented bigs in their early 20's
25 Jun 2015 12:14:13
76ers Kings
Noel for #6
Kings get a decent replacement for Boogie and much more freedom when making future trades (assuming that Boogie is going to be sold)
Philly get much more flexibility in draft night to continue their build up:
if Lakers pick Rusell, take Okafor at #3 and choose between Hezonja/Mudiay/Winslow at #6
if Rusell is available, pick him at #3 and choose between Hezonja/Porzingis/Winslow at #6
bring Saric immediately (should be doable if they can guarantee him minutes)
So basically, Himkie can tank one more season giving 4 rookies with All star ceiling 30+ minutes per game and focus on acquiring more future assets with cap space he can use to take bad contracts from other teams before making some big moves in next two off seasons (another great pick next year and more then enough cap space to bring missing pieces through FA).
1.) 25 Jun 2015 13:09:45
Noel has established a nice floor in the NBA. There's always bust potential at 6, and it's not like Noel has a low ceiling.
2.) 25 Jun 2015 13:40:59
1. Trading Noel for #6 does not "continue their build up." That would end the franchise. The Sixers cannot continually draft, develop, trade, repeat. At some point they have to settle on core talent and build from there. Noel is staying a Sixer. If traded for #6, the fans will firebomb the building.
2. Bringing Saric over is not their decision. It's Saric's. The issue is that his overseas contract does not have an "out" right now but will next year. So it becomes an expensive negotiation- not for the Sixers but for Saric. The Sixers are limited to paying $625k to buy him out this year. But its expected the overseas team will want close to $2m. The difference has to be made up by the player. And he's not going to pay over a $mil to leave Europe only to make that amount here in his rookie year- thus he's work for zero this season if he came to Philly.
3. Hinkie is not going to tank this season. This year's pick was traded, but lottery protected. So he had to not make the playoffs this year as part of the rebuild. Plus, he took the best talent available that was on the board these past two years. Noel was in the mix as the 1st pick except for his knee injury. Embiid was in the mix for the 1st pick except for his foot injury. He took risks. One paid off. One has not (yet). There's no such risk/gamble in this draft.
3.) 25 Jun 2015 14:05:02
It's tempting but not happening. Sixers would rather have Noel okafor and embiid. That insurance at every position. Remember we don't even know if embiid is good yet.
4.) 25 Jun 2015 17:19:07
Look guys IF embiid can stay healthy then he will become a top 5 center. Noel isn't going anywhere. And mudiay is the main focus for sixers to draft. Then i'm really hoping that we trade up high enough to be able to draft Justin Anderson
16 Feb 2016 20:51:54
Good job for Pistons imo. Not sure which direction is magic taking with this one, atm I can see it either as an attempt to free some more minutes for Hezonja and Gordon and cap space relief (Jennings is expiring, they would have TO on Ersan and in that case Frye is probably going to be shipped off before deadline too) or just a first move to come back into a playoff picture which would mean that we could see some of their youngsters (Gordon/ Hezonja/ Elf/ maybe even Oladipo) being traded away for win now piece (s) in next few days.
16 Feb 2016 20:41:31
absolutely terrible for Orlando.
15 Feb 2016 21:20:13
I agree that Orlando is having some great pieces who just can't fit together but I can't see them making such a big move yet with so much questions over Hezonja and Gordon. Personally, I see them as their starting SG and PF for the future but I would rather cut the playoff hopes and focus on some smaller deals until summer just to get a clearer picture of who are actually the odd men there. So, unless they cannot trade for a star which is highly unlikely atm, trade away Fournier (I'm afraid that he is going to sign offer sheet not worth matching in free agency) and Frye for some future assets and expiring/ rookie contracts to free more minutes for younger guys until end of the season and get some more cap space. Then start adjusting roaster through free agency. Their other assets (Harris/ Oladipo/ Peyton/ Vucevich) shouldn't drop their value until they are aware who is exactly odd man there and what kind of player they actually need.
01 Feb 2016 02:15:36
First of all, the point for OKC with such a trade is obviously in making as strong ring push as possible in KDs contract year as this could be their last chance for a while. Also, if they are ready to pay some (huge) tax, resigning Fournier shouldn't be a problem considering they can always use Bird rights to resign Durantula after. they should be at 67M (assuming they will let Augustin and Morrow walk when free agency starts) . With the estimated cap at 85M, they can muatch up to 18M for Fournier (which should be more then enough) or any other free agent (s) in case they are better pickups in free agency in same money range and still be able to resign KD for max.
31 Jan 2016 22:31:59
Despite I would be really excited to see what Hezonja is really capable without short leash around his neck (my guess is that he would instantly become legit candidate for rookie of the month in '76rs uniform) and seing Noel as a good fit with Vucevic in Orlando I don't think there's no way Henny would accept it before giving Hezonja at least a decent chance to prove what he is really capable, especially not now when is obvious that Orlando is still far from winning mode.